What do I do different with my new LC 200 vs my old 100 ?

Dan

The car is 9 years old and has done 190,000km. I feel it is the right time to sell it and I also hunger for the V8 diesel for towing my heavy van to WA and other spots every year.

My days of going overland off track are pretty well over, so my need for diff locks and winch are a low priority. I do not want to put a lot of heavy gear onto the new car, as it makes them illegal.

All I will get is a long range tank, heavy duty springs with a small lift and a snorkel. I will get an upgrade of the GVM.

LCOOL - I am comfortable on EO and there is quite a few guys on the site have 200s. I will go there if I have - I am registered.

Cheers,

Willie.

at the present time with the engine faults with the 200 you are better off with your 100 series

I believe that any problems with the 200 would have been addressed in the August change in production specs.

I have spoken to mechanics about the engine and they do not share your opinion.

Willie

they havnt

So Stuart what are the problems that you know of?

Yes Stuart,

What engine problems do you speak of. I talk to a lot of guys with LC200's on LCOOL and none have had any engine problems.

They do use a bit of oil early in their life and the 6th gear doesn't drop in until over 100kmh unless you have it remapped but the LC100 will never drop into 6th, since you are making a direct comparison.

I had an LC100 and it can't be mentioned on the same page as an LC200, the latter is vastly superior on almost every count and thats saying something as the LC100 was pretty damn good.

I happen to know the worksop supervisor for rio
toyota have taken 5 of their motors (4.5 V8) BACK TO FACTORY to solve both fuel and engine failure, including excessive oil consumption.

Stuart, there may well be a couple of isolated cases, but at least Toyota is taking steps to correct any faults. Ask a Nissan Patrol owner what Nissan has done to help when their grenade goes up.

I have done about 45,000kms in mine and half of that was towing a 3500kg Bushtracker.

It has not used excessive oil and is performing superbly.

There will always be a few things that need attention with a mass produced item. I have great faith in the vehicle and my Dealer. I've had an FJ55, an FJ73, 2 troopies and an 80 Series. Toyotas attract the knockers like nothing else and they are usually ALL non owners.

Willie, if you've ordered KDSS you will not need difflocks.

Well done and congratulations. You'll love it.

mate of a mate......

What makes a seat cover compatable ?

I would like to get Black Duck canvas ones.

Thanks,

Willie.

If they have bags in the back of the seats like commondoors they have to have spaces for the bags to deploy otherwise they are naughty or illegal or both, whatever.

Most reputable seatcover makers will know and fit the correct ones

OK Graham, I get the picture now.
Thanks . Willie.

Hi Norm,

I will check with Toyota re the canvas seat covers for the 200 - thanks.

Can you describe the process wherby you upgraded the GVM before rego. ie did the dealer take it to ARB or what ?

Thanks a lot,

Willie.

I ordered the work through ARB, along with their bullbar, warn winch and steps. I then told the dealer ARB needed to do the work prior to rego and dealer made arrangements with ARB to get the vehicle to them and back.

I also had a full canopy made by Roscos at Caboolture (Sunshine Coast). Dealer arranged for the vehicle to be trucked up there for fitting and back again as well - all at their cost.

As mentioned before, dealer cooperated with Bob Jane on the tyres.

Overall, I got excellent service and cooperation from my dealer (Hinterland Toyota). When I picked up the vehicle, it had the canopy (inc plated ROPS), new tyres (BFG AT), all bar work, winch, suspension upgrade (inc GVM plating), tow bar, seat covers, floor mats etc.

I just added 2 x AGMs, isolator, cabling, battery monitor, 2 x fridge slides and fridges, drawer unit (self made), UHF, console (self made) Scan Gauge, roof rack and boat loader and I was about ready to hit the road. I've since put a 100 W solar panel on the roof for when not carrying boat. If carrying boat, panel is easily removed for use on the ground.

Norm C

Boobook2,

I don't want the weight of a winch hanging off the front. I am also changing to a less tough alloy bull bar for this reason.

That is interesting info on the traction control being so good. Even though the rear diff lock will fit, as you say, it might be only a minor advantage and definitely another thing to go wrong - I like to stay close to standard if possible.
Sounds like they beefed up the front diff - good.

I figured the drawers would not fit. I will put an advert on here and flog them. They are a terrific bit of tackle and when I used to do more camping, I loved them. Now however, in my dotage, I take my Bushtracker with me.

Thanks for the great technical info,

Willie.

Sir Willie


' Dotage "....LOL...yer but a babe in the woods :-)

Mate, I got my Seniors Card this week !

I waited for the upgraded production which started in August. I am happy to buy one now.
Willie.

what new engine? The Patrol one??? :-)

Please explain??

Marty-VIC replied:
We have nationwide fleet of 1 ton service vehicles made up of all brands. Mitsi Triton have lowest break down and warranty claims and best fuel consumption. New engine power and torque towing is impressive. They guys now fight to get the Tritons to drive. Triton presently unbeatable for features safety and standard options.

Marty-VIC
You did not answer the question. After a statement like that, you should give out some facts.
Willie.

The V8 engine is going and reintroducing a 6 cyl.

Sales are poor, mining, goverment authorities and construction companies will not touch the V8. OHS and legal nightmare due to overloading issue of front axle. Bad design all round.

Price wise V8 worst $ ripoff going. I would feel like a mug if paid such a ripoff price for 200 series.

Would anybody like to give me some more info on this "overloading issue of front axle".

Thanks Marty,

Willie.

Marty,

Aren't you confusing the LC70 series with the LC200 series. The LC70s did not have air bags originally and were not bought by some companies because of this.
The LC200 has about a 3 month wait to get one - how can you say sales are poor. Despite being more expensive the LC200 is outselling the Nissan Patron almost 2 to 1 in Australia.
Methinks your facts and understanding of the issues is a little confused.

Cheers

I don't think he is confusing the 70 Series with the 200 Series at all.

I just think he is confused, full stop!!

First hand owners reporting on this site does not support any of his claims.

The 70 Series is being sold in mega volumes to mining, construction etc and the V8 has been on the market now for about 3 years with no real dramas coming forth.

The 200 Series also seems to be extraordinarily reliable and sales are by all accounts excellent.

This bloke can't seem to support his claims with any real facts and as most issues of any brand or model are posted and discussed on here as soon as they become apparent then I would suggest this forum is very well informed and up to date.

I guess we can expect more of this sort of post as it is school holidays.

I think Marty thought he was talking about a Nissan 3.0 which has the shortest engine life.

The LC70's come with the option of a 1HZ or the D4D engines.

The 1HZ are a special order and are aimed at mining companies.

We have had a look at the LC70 with the 1HZ as we have to do some mods for Toyota for the mining industry.

This combination is very big in South Africa and with NATO.

There was no mention of dropping the V8 or offering a 6cyl in the 200 series.

I don't think you would be able to get a straight 6 cylinder under the bonnet of the 200 series as the engine bay is to short.

The 200 series and the LC70 had some teething problems in the early days but seem to be sorted now.

Marty-VIC posted:
......... I would feel like a mug if paid such a ripoff price for 200 series.....

Well Marty-VIC, that would be appropriate since you look like such a mug with that bunch of inaccuracies. LOL.

As olcoolone posted, the 200 bonnet was shortened by 200mm and the 200mm added to the cabin given that there was no straight 6 cyl option. What front end overloading and V8 short lived issues are you referring to? Sounds like you are the only one that knows about these.

And given your lack of record for getting things right I don't think it is an issue.

AFAIK the 1hz spec 70 series cant be got in Australia.
Theres no question the v8 ute wouldnt be the mining industries first choice but it has nothing to do with any inherant problems.

its not rocket science that the old 1hz was ideal for mining applications with its low but adequate power and its mechano approach to repairs.

turbos and intercoolers and electrics just add more to go wrong and more complicated fixes in an environment where its not a matter of if but when and also need AFFF fire suppresant inbuilt to be compliant with the turbo.

all of which means nothing to private buyers because they are unlikely to see any of the problems mining vehicles have

as for front end overloading - this can be an issue in any of the older 70 series. except most people dont care and have no issue

one place i worked had the front tanks blocked off because with the barwork and winch etc a full front tank put the load on the front axle above specs

The 1HZ is available on special order, we are doing some work for a dealership who has about 50 of them sitting in their holding yard at the moment waiting for delivery.

Don't know if it is a special thing for mining company's only or if the general public can buy them to.

There may be some ADR's they don't meet and may not be registrable for road use.

v interesting i knew they were4 available elswhere.
im guessing there no cheaper to land here???

the old 79 was last of the old school perfect for mining / comercial use

in 2006 they were the slowest vehicle available brand new and the only diesal without a turbo many examples struggled to top 120kph mostly because of the emission control hoo ha which is shown by the extra stuff arounfd the fuel pump

"slowest vehicle available brand new"...
Surely they were not as slow as the Daewoo Matiz ??

Im sure that you guys are probably aware that the 80 series are still (or were till very recently) being manufactured?

Iwas just guessing with that coment but some of the last and close to new ones I drove were amazingly slow I tried timingone from 80 - 120 and gave up because it wouldnt do it

2008 was the last year for the 80 series being built.

Don't know if they went to the 100 series then or straight to the 200 series.

Marty-VIC,

mate, you are clueless !!

The V8 is 4 cylinders long.

The 6 cylinder is obviously 6 cylinders long.

The engine bay ain't long enough for 6 cylinders unless you want the 2 extra cylinders in the centre console next to you.

Another knocker who is not an owner.

I agree with Fisho.

In fact, why don't you list it on here with all the accessories and see what happens? You may save yourself alot of work removing and selling all the extra items. It sounds ike a fully fitted unit to me.

190k is not alot

Peter
HZJ 105 n/a auto

I have not ordered the 200 yet. I only had the detailing done on Christmas Eve.

I mainly want the 200 because my Bushtracker weighs 2.3 tons empty - the 100 runs out of puff on the hills.

Everybody says the same though - selling a car like this to a dealer, you get no value for the accessories. So, I either sell it complete or take everything off.

I guess I should put an ad on here, but taking it to a dealer, is the easy way to get an idea of what it's worth. I will have a look on RV Point and see if I can get an idea about it's value there.

My 100 TD is the 4 speed box, but is in great condition mechanically. ARB Northside have serviced it and I have replaced many bits "just in case" ie the injector lines, parts of the front suspension etc. ARB know they can do anything to my car that they think it requires - without contacting me.

Willie.

I have a suggestion for you Willie.

Check out the 200 at the dealer and figure out what options you want.
Then look for a "no trade-in" price on the internet -there are a number of places which will give you a good price - but ensure that you list the options you want.

Once you have the best internet price see if a dealer can better it (tell the dealer your son/daughter/mate are buying the old 100.

Then, and only then, ask for a trade-in price for your 100 (son/daughter/mate deal fell through).

This way you get a real figure for your trade-in and can decide if you'll do better selling privately.

(The above buying procedure takes a lot of the footwork and hassle out of dealing with salesmen.)

Good luck.

Peter
HZJ 105 n/a auto

Thanks Peter,

Good advice and I tried - but failed to find quotes for a "no trade-in" price on the internet .

Can you tell me where to find them.

Sorry,

Willie.

Willie,

have a serious discussion with your Dealer about a price for your 100 Series. They are in strong demand, mainly because of the cost of the 200 Series.

I was in my local dealership last month booking the 200 in for a service and the Dealer Principal asked me if I was going to try towing my van with the trayback (I bought both of them from him).

I said no, because the 200 was just more powerful and more comfortable and that I was going to put the trayback on the market in January. He said they are hard to get and he would like to buy it back from me. We spoke about some accessories that I wanted to keep and he gave me an amount which I reckon was just short of what I would have got privately. No hassles and the money was in the bank the next day.

No harm in asking.

Willie,

Several company's make AT tyres in 17" now but aren't you ordering a '09 model?? They have 18" standard which I know, seems strange but that is the case.

As for 17" AT tyres in OEM size

Dunlop AT22 as fitted to '07/'08 models, great on road and quiet.
Bridgestone Dueler 694 in exact size, 285/65 R17 but not in light truck unfortunately
Yokohama Geolander ditto for Bridgstone

If you want to go outside the 15mm limit, which, it seems most do, then you can opt for both Mickey Thompson or Cooper in 285/70 R17 in various forms. I don't think BFG do one in 285/17 but a lot use them in 275 width. Anyway, heaps of options.

There are 3 main options for 17" wheels.

1)285 / 65 17 ( original size), not a lot of options here, especially in LT
2)285 / 70 17 about 1 1/2 inch bigger diameter. Will increase fuel consumption by 2 - 3 l/100km and will make it hard to get into 6th when towing.
3)265 /70 17 same diameter as OE tyre. Best for non mud work in my opinion.

Mickey thompson, Coopers etc etc.

Watch the load rating of the tyres. Must be 116 or 1250kg. The Australian version of the BFG 265 / 70 17 AT for example is only 112 rated.

Willie,

I'll send a list of tyres I have made up to your email address.

Presently I am favouring the Hankook tyres.

cheers

Refer to Thread 74460.

And, unless you get a good price for your OEM Dunlops, don't be in a hurry to get rid of them, they are better than you may think.

cheers

How are you doing Richard ? Do you want a front seat set of Black Duck canvas covers - a bit worn on the drivers side ?

Willie.

Willie,
Thanks for the offer.
I've got some lambswool ones that still have a bit of life in them. ;)

The dealer agreed to deliver the car to ARB, to upgrade the GVM before delivery.

However, Bob Jane wants to charge me $600 to swap the tyres to Cooper ATs or the eqivalent.

Willie

Hi Willie,

Only $600 to swap 17" tyres sounds cheap!!! When I had my GU it cost me that to swap over to 285/75R16 Cooper LT's. However, with my 200 I had to shell out $1,200 - they reckoned the 17" 285/70R17 BFG TA's were heaps more expensive hence the price hike. It looks like 17" tyres are becoming more common these days so hopefully the price has come down.

Good luck with your 200, you won't regret it for a second - except perhaps when checking your bank balance:) Towing your Bushtracker will be that much easier and the standard traction control is almost as good as diff locks. I have had my 200 for 1-1/2 years now and it still amaze me the way it goes off-road and on.

Cheers

Captain

Thanks for the info Captain. Maybe they are not taking me for a ride after all.
Willie.