Rain OR Fire

Thanks for the link, I must admit to being one who was unaware of the significance of the first verse, I often bring the poem up at discussion of 'Climate Change', what year did she pen it???????? long before the the motor car and industry took hold I suspect.

Cheers

Deanna

It was first published in 1908 not long after the end of the 1895 1902 drought.

What is interesting is that the present drought and weather conditions are breaking records set back then.

It is hotter and dryer for a longer period of time.

That drought lasted for 7 years in some areas we are entering the 11th year of drought.

Australia has always had cycles of drought and flood but somehow these cycles are becoming more and more extreme. There is a theory that seems to explain these occurrences , It is called Climate change. There are also skeptics who say this is all not happening and everything is quite normal Just the sea is rising, the ice is melting, the weather is changing and the world is getting hotter.

Funny how some people seem to ignore the bleeding obvious if it does not agree with their picture of the world.

The last decade was the hottest on record small wonder fires and floods are getting worse .


http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

hope you don't expect anything for your grandkids :-(

There are only a few lines that are ever quoted from this poem, but it really is a very special piece. Written by a woman who had a real feel for her, country.

i for one is a climate change skeptic and think it is a load of crap.
please read thishttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
this is a good an article that shows the other side of the climate change debate.


al

I find it amazing that those who question 'climate change' are automatically labelled as skeptics and dissenters. Just because some serious questions have to be asked about this theory, doesn't mean that we've already made up our minds. Why is it that professors or scientists that are putting forward genuine questions are being sacked, and the problem is we don't hear about it. The media very well knows that 'climate change' is dubious, but they don't want the truth getting in the way of a good story. That's what it is. A good story. Just proves that 'climate change' supporters are biased or brainwashed and are not willing to enter into a genuine debate.

The world has been captivated by this. If the government was truly concerned about the environment, then it would be supporting local farmers more instead of importing from bloody China. Ask any farmer he'll tell you the same thing. But because the government can see money in this, and don't think that it won't affect you - it will - they will push ahead with new taxes and so on. What are we being taxed for? Nobody knows. The third world countries are just after our money and 'climate change' is just an excuse to get that money - your money and my money. Economically speaking, there is nothing we can do about 'climate change'. Nature will have its way, that's either global warming or cooling.

Australia is leaping before it's looking, and that what scares me. Australia will probably become a state of China. It practically already is.

I suggest that people view Lord Christopher Monckton on Climate Change on YouTube, he has some very good insights.

I could write more but I don't want to hijack this post.

While I agree with you on some form of protection for our farmers the bottom line is most Australians will not pay more for goods and produce made here in Australia.

you can blame the government but the main fault lies with both big business and the consumer. For decades now we have exported our manufacturing and other industry because people could make more money quicker by outsourcing.

As for global climate change we did not give up in world war 1 and 2 because it was to expensive to do the right thing.

AUstralia and the UK went into debt to protect the future of both themselves and the world. They did not give up saying we do not want to pay the price,

Muddripper,
Agree with you 100%. It seems that the converted (poor misguided souls) are the only ones that are allowed to have an opinion.
Duke

I don't think that there is much debate about the fact that our climate is warming. I think the major debate is what is causing it.

Is it a natural cycle that the earth goes through from time to time, or

Is it something that mankind has precipitated through the burning of fossil fuels and the increase in agriculture, eg. cattle and the subsequent methane production.

So until such time as they really can tell what is causing it, maybe it is worthwhile doing those things that are both "Reasonable and Practicable" to be done, just in case it is us that's doing it.

The current decade likely ranks as the hottest since temperature records began in the 1850s, the U.N. World Meteorological Organization announced today.

2009 may rank as the fifth-warmest year on record, the WMO said, although the final rank won't be available until next year. 1998 holds the rank as the hottest year.

The alarming thing is not the rise in temperature that has happened before but the speed of the rise in temperature there has never been such a sudden change in any of the recorded history of temperature anywhere in the world.

When you see that evidence collected from sources like peat bogs in Ireland ties in with records from coral reefs in Queensland and ice cores in Antarctica I fail to see how people can ignore the overwhelming weight of evidence supporting global climate change.

I am sorry that people lost their homes but just saying sorry does not do anything to stop this from happening again and getting worse.

Our records of weather only go back a few hundred years, but from this and other information it is apparent that the climate does change due to natural occurences. The earth came out of the last ice age in only about 100years, so rapid warming is not unprecedented.

To say that because there is change it is due to climate change may be wrong, similarly to justify the change on the fact that change has always occured may also be wrong.

Change has always occurred and always will, but has the rate of change been influenced by man?

Personnally i would like to believe this is normal weather changes, however i also dont believe we can keep on pump polutants into the atmosphere with impunity.

It is a pretty big gamble if we get it wrong, i think we should err on the side of caution.

Hi Deanna, Sunburnt country and climate change. Neville & I agree. I don't like to enter into the debate. I work on a farm and the debate goes on & on, both sides have a good arguement. Neville will debate all day! I just think of that Poem, in regards to climate change. It is a beautiful Poem During winter! Sometimes I say, in extreme cases of Fire, Flood and Drought. I hate a Sunburnt country.,but it's happening everywhere. Our thoughts go out to all being affected by adverse weather conditions ......The animals as well. Summer has only just begun. We live in The Otway Ranges Vic. I don't know if the fires at Toodyay were deliberately Lit or not. Firebugs are'nt due to climate change, they're due to all Law & no justice in this country. Dorathea must've been some freezing place when she wrote that. Speaking of freezing.....I don't think" man" caused the Ice-age! Happy New Year. Hope 2010 is a good one. Take care, safe travels. Bye, Sally

Very accurate data about weather, temperature, the composition of the atmosphere, rainfall and other climatic events is stored in a vast variety of geological and biological samples.

We are not coming out of an ice age at the moment either. Still the world wide average temperature is rising faster than ever before.

I would be more than happy to find out that global warming was bunk and we did not have to worry or to do or spend anything.

However I don't think ignoring the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence is a valid argument.

But how much can we trust that 'scientific evidence'. Scientific evidence can also prove climate change wrong. We cannot forget that scientific evidence can be influenced/manipulated by other organizations to produce inaccurate data. Bias and prejudice can also lead to this. It's important to be prudent in this serious matter. While it is evident that carbon emissions have increased over recent years, air temperatures have not gone up as predicted by the IPCC. This whole issue is propelled by the Greens, etc., which also have other things on the agenda, not only the environment.

I fully agree with Alan S (WA).

I still don't know why the media shoves all this down our throats because there is nothing we can do to stop the planet from warming up. We're definitely going to warm up the planet with all the climate change propaganda.

A famous phrase:

God always forgives, man sometimes forgives, nature never forgives.

Having worked for a large part of my life at a university with dedicated researchers I think we can and should trust the science and the scientists on these matters.

it is the narrow vested interest groups who time and time again come out with skeptical comments about research but they never actually produce any new research of their own to back these arguments.

Science is rigorous and anyone who can come up with a theory that disproves a previous theory is given a lot of publicity and accolades.

So far no one has developed a better explanation for what is going on than the theory of climate change caused by man's pollution.

if they have I have yet to hear if it the peer review that it has undergone and the independent research that backs it up.

It's not the theories that scare or bother me, it's the steps that they (governments) will take to combat 'climate change'.

In my view, we should start from basics. For example, improving recycling facilities. In most states of Australia, everything goes to land fill. But we don't hear about that, do we? No, we don't seem to care. Even people who claim to be 'greenies' don't care. We're just filling up the earth will rubbish.

No. We're just too concerned about establishing committees that produce more hot air than the average person.

But I suppose I'm being too simple.

I think Northam actually - hopefully

Yep I think your right with Northam, Feel for the people who have lost their homes. There is a an appeal started through the Salvos for the victims.

Cheers

Deanna

It is just so good no lives were lost, but the poor buggers that have lost everything also the livestock and the little critters that have been lost ...what a mess.

Hats off to all the people that have been fighting these fires and all the people that are giving there all to help in this time of need ...though it ain't over yet it's only the start of summer

We were one of the spared ones

do you know if that historic homestead near where the fire started around river road survived?

they were doing the whole place right up a couple of years back

Im ok thanks, in Northam about 25 kms away but still close to home.

Couple of our club members are fire fighters and live in Toodyay, thankfully their homes are ok.

Helping out where I can, Ive got a pair of week old ducklings sitting in the bathtub, the fire claimed mum and the rest of the family.

Anyone know what they eat at that age ?

It may sound trivial considering what the fire has so far claimed but a life is a life and a helping hand to the most vunerable is ok by me.


Cheers......Lionel.

You feed them ripped up bread with some water and a tiny bit of starter chick crumble (if you have it) or some dry cat food in a little bowl of water when they get a little older, 'cos if you give it to them when they are younger they can't swallow it properly. But don't feed them milk because they are lactose intolerant. They are really fragile so be careful of dropping them when they are really little!

Sorry stole it of a web site

any kind of help is good help..

Cheers

Richard

We use to feed young geese rolled oats soaked in water and made into a sloppy mash, don't know if that would be OK for ducks, can't see why not. Good luck with it and well done for helping, Let's know if there is anything people out of the vacinity can do to help.
Cheers

Deanna

I was wondering about your club members yesterday when the real stats came in. I watched the smoke column on tuesday afternoon though it was bad.

Alan

Lionel i am a wildlife carer please dont feed them to much bread chopped up lettuce is a much better thing, bread will destroy their innards, contact me 0418945847 /92960172