Bitten by a white-tail.....
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 15:21
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Member - Royce
Sitting minding my own business a couple of evenings ago. Something walking on my knee. It bit me as I brushed it away.
Got down on my hands and knees and sure enough it was a white-tailed
spider. Sadly it died at that point.
I could see the small red spot where it bit. I drew a biro circle around it. Nothing special has happened yet.
SHWKE... [.... Who Knows Everything] says that the stories about necrosis have been debunked.
Will my leg drop off?!!
Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 15:42
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 15:42
Hi Royce
SHKE is most likely right that many bites will go away without much fuss; but some don't. They are very common nocturnal household spiders and rarely bother anyone; there was one trapped in the sink when i got up this morning. I use to pick them up when i was a
young child (before the white tail hysteria).
My daughter hates spiders and kills any in sight. A friend once commented that she buys Mortein by the six pack. While we were away touring, she was bitten on the leg whilst asleep, and woke with her whole leg burning and red. It later localised into an infected patch about the size of a 5c piece. It may her feel quite unwell for some weeks, and despite hospital dressings, medical advice of keeping it covered, it only healed many weeks later after asking for antibiotics and allowing the air and sunlight to dry the wound. She now has a dark coloured indent on her leg around the size of a 10c piece. I have seen worse necrosis, but that was complicated by the person being diabetic.
I hope you are in the group who get no reaction (which i believe is the majority), but i would put Betadine on it now to improve your chances. If it starts to go 'mushy' and white seek medical advice, and if that doesn't work, try the old fashioned sunlight.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 17:11
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 17:11
Hi Royce,
I had a similiar experience to Motherhens friend. Bitten on the leg as I slept in my Swag (after a few to many rums Mind you).
My Leg wasnt burning or red but I had a red infected patch about the size of a 10c piece.
It went away in 4 days
I guess it effects some people worse then others.
Regards Wilko
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 18:07
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 18:07
i got bitten on the heel a cpl of years ago and still have a small indentation about the size of a 10 cent piece on the heel
it took about a week for the pain to go and about a month before it healed
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 19:04
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 19:04
Yep been bitten twice, no long lasting effects....both times on the leg, just a pain kinda thru the muscles in the area & upwards.
Yes I think the necrosis is debunked....
The other thing I have heard is that white tails eat other spiders, so depending on what they have eaten will depend on what they bite you with....
Some big buggers getting around too, about an inch in the body....& they love being inside (unlike redbacks thankfully!)
Cheers
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Reply By: olcoolone - Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 20:22
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 20:22
Being bitten by a White Tip spiders are much like getting a Be sting.....some people may die from it and others wont even know it happened.
And you might get bitten 10 times will no effects and the 11th one will kill you or make you very sick.
The other thing with bites is they might make you sick for a short period of time and go away only to return every 6 months for the next 5 years.
White Tips are no different to most other spiders except they are hunters and can become aggressive.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 20:50
Thursday, Jan 07, 2010 at 20:50
So I came in for lunch and posted the topic. WOW! Nice response everybody.
Well I just looked at my knee. Disappointing really. The
little red dot went away.... my leg didn't. I didn't feel any pain.
But... today as I got to work on fitting out my fire fighting trailer, the 1000l tank had the most ENORMOUS redback I've ever seen! Didn't bite me so I guess that's not really so interesting. If it did though.... I reckon my body would have fallen off.
Anyway: the theory is that these spiders are actually black widow spiders that came with the early settlers. They live in human inhabited areas generally and are almost identical the the norther hemisphere black widow. I remember the Sun having a
pic of one that had caught a skink in its web. I aways worry when I visit an outdoor dunny.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 13:45
Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 13:45
Skink? pfft obviosly wasnt hungry
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Reply By: andoland - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 09:02
Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 09:02
I lived in Tassie for a couple of years where white tailed spiders are prevalent. At the time I was there the hospital in
Hobart released a report they had done on white tailed spider bites. Over a period of about 10 years (from memory) their records showed almost 50 reported cases of white tailed spider bites and a number of these had the typical symptoms expected from white tailed spiders such as massive ulcers, etc. However, their investigations proved that in every singe one of these cases where there was a severe reaction it was not actually from a white tailed spider bite. Either the spider had been mis-identified or the reaction was from another cause altogether.
Their conclusion was white tail spider myth busted.
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 09:27
Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 09:27
That's the research my better three quarters has come up with [nurse/ambo]. Sometimes a spider happens to coincide with the ulceration, but it could simply be a small injury not noticed and the spider was.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 19:59
Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 19:59
Royce, glad you haven't had the reaction.
andoland - the doctors in my daughter's case said many spider bites (after all unlike Royce, you usually don't get a good look at the spider) are attributed to white tails that are other species of spiders. They agreed that hers was definitely a white tail bite. I still believe that nothing happens in the majority of case, however my daughter certainly got a reaction. If it is a bacteria, it may be that not all are carrying the bacteria, or that only some people's immune systems do not deal with it quickly.
As aforesaid, another case with someone i knew the media loved - attributed his necrosis which was severe an ongoing for a long time entirely to the white tail. As he said, they kept saying about the spider, but never once mentioned my diabetes. I knew at the same time a diabetic having somewhat similar problems with ulcerations which would not heal on his feet and no sign of a spider.
Mh
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Reply By: get outmore - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:49
Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:49
home life is littered with old wives tales except not so old and now spread by the internet
-anti persperant gives you alzimers
- diet coke gives you parkinsons
and now its white tails.
garantee anyone thaty gets a bite reaction will be told by all and most knowledgable sundry they have just been bitten by a white tail .
heck i used to believe redbacks were dangerous until i was bitten 3 times by one
both the hospital and posoin info centre told me it was nothing to worry about-------------- and it wasnt
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