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Which filters to use to save money but not be too cheap so as to avoid wasting money

Nissan Filter set $123..................oil air & fuel
Sakura $68
Ryco Set $102
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Reply By: signman - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:09

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:09
I have an Italian vehicle (2.8 l Turbo diesel). The genuine filters cost heaps- so I have been using Sakura filters for a while now with no problems.
I source them thru a mob in Sydney- Mr. Filters

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Follow Up By: Malcolm1 - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:10

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:10
thanks Signman
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Reply By: itsdave - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:52

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:52
I use a K&N reusable air filter, very easy to clean and wash. Initial outlay a bit pricey but pays for itself within a couple of cleans.

Cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 13:31

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 13:31
Are they just washed with water?? How long do they last?
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Follow Up By: itsdave - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:07

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:07
With the cleaning kit for them you spray a solution on to the filter, wait 10 minutes and then wash out in water. leave to dry and the give it a light spray with a filter oil that comes with the cleaning kit. The filter is guaranteed for something like 1,ooo,ooo kms.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:14

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:14
Did you know that an engine reconditioner will not warrant a motor if you use one of the K & N air filters?
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Follow Up By: signman - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:50

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:50
Those 'foam' type filters may be OK in a non-dusty environment.
For really dusty outback touring, you could be servicing the thing daily- where as with a dry type, a matter of knocking the element on a rock will dislodge most of the dust.
Just my experience from a similar (Finer Filter) type product. !!

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Follow Up By: kiwicol1 - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:35

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:35
What sort of motor do you run. If its the 3 ltr grenade do not run air filters which are inpregnated with oil, as this covers the sensors which in turn send wrong signals to computor, in turn all sorts of problems.
I have run the oil filters on my 4.2 diesel and have done 370,000ks, and have done some pretty horrendous dusty conditions, and have never had any problems, clean them in warm soapy water, reoil and away you go, i also carry an extra outter sleeve already oiled, which folds to a flat easily carried spare. I also use fleetguard or donaldson fuel and oil filters. Col
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Follow Up By: itsdave - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:55

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:55
Navara D40 2.5 Diesel. Now done 90,000 with well over 1/2 on out back roads i.e Gibb, Tanami, Savanah Way etc without problems. Clean it on a fairly regular basis depending on the road conditions. I think the main thing is to not over oil it when reoiling. The K&N filter is similar to a normal filter in looks but only has a very light coating of oil sprayed onto it hence does'nt get oil sucked in to the turbo or wherever.
Cheers dave
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Follow Up By: pmk03 - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:26

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:26
Kiwicol1,

"If its the 3 ltr grenade do not run air filters which are inpregnated with oil, as this covers the sensors which in turn send wrong signals to computor, in turn all sorts of problems."

I think you'll find the genuine filters are slightly oiled anyway. If it is going into the 3ltr I wouldn't use anything but genuine.

Just my opinion......

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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:58

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:58
I have been using Ryco and find them good enough
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:59

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:59
I generally use the Ryco filters (exc. air filter - but I don't remember what brand that one was) and haven't had any problems.

Some filters are replaced more often than others, so where are the differences in price - ie. are all Nissan filters nearly double the Sakura filters, or are the prices closer for the more regularly changed filters? That might make the price difference not so significant. If I was choosing between Ryco and Nissan filters when they're not replaced all that often (oil: 5-10,000km, air: 20,000km, fuel: 40,000km - depending on conditions) then an extra $20 over average 20,000km is pretty insignificant, especially if your vehicle is under warranty (if you've always used genuine Nissan filters, it may mean Nissan has one less reason to refuse a warranty claim).
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:11

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:11
Have a look here

www.terraintamer.com.au

I use them on my cruiser wouldnt use Ryco.


The price is about half the TOYOTA price for all especially if you buy them in 6 packs


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Follow Up By: signman - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:52

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:52
Check that site Graham- I couldn't access it ??

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:08

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:08
[url=http://www.terraintamer.com.au/]



Works for me or google Don Kyatt same place
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:13

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:13
I rang them and they are having web page problems apparently


Try later When I clicked on the terraintamer icon it just refreshes the home page.

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Follow Up By: The Boss (Formerly Kroozer) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:59

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:59
Ryco specialise in filters, Terrain Tamer sell all sorts of gear.

One would think that Ryco would be a more efficient filter.

But i could be wrong

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 16:33

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 16:33
On LCool last year they cut up a lot of different filters and the lack of what was in some would amaze you

Terraintamers use a German filter that is very similar inside to the Toyota one

I cut the first one I used to see what is was like Good enough for me
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 16:56

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 16:56
Hi Graham, are you talking about all filters (oil, fuel & air) or just air filters?

I'm a bit surprised to hear you say Ryco aren't much good though - I'd always thought they had a pretty good reputation for making decent filters.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:42

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:42
Nowhere did I say they were no good just said I wouldnt use them

I have the full set from Terraintamer

It was the oil filter I cut up and it was oil filters that LCool did the comparison on and showed pics of the results.

I got the impression that some makes are built to a price and some are built to a standard.

Everyone to their own I guess.

The advice above about not using oil soaked airfilters applies to any vehicle

with a MAF sensor not just Grenades

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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:51

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:51
"I got the impression that some makes are built to a price and some are built to a standard."

I've got no doubt, I'd just assumed Ryco was in the latter category!

Did you cut the filter after using it? (would have been messy!) Is a visual inspection enough to determine how good is a filter that is meant to filter down to the microns?! I'll have to go have a look at LCOOL for their report... hopefully it's still there.
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Follow Up By: The Boss (Formerly Kroozer) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:14

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:14
Good stuff Graham, i have always wanted to do that myself. Will check up on this comparison, sounds interesting. But was it used on the same vehicle and under same conditions or was it just a brand new filter?

Terrain Tamer seem to be making a name for themselves.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:29

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 18:29
After using it Too b mean to cut up a new one and yes it was messy.

LCOOL didnt do this one in the comparison and I was supposed to put up a pic of it but it sort of cut off centre and the bits fell out

It certainly appeared to have the bits in similar order to the Toyota one though

The Lcool had both new and used if I remember rightly and was done quite a while ago.

I have been using them for about 60,000 and also always use Penrite HPR15 Diesel and it doesnt use oil or dirty up the oil too much in the 7500 between changes


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Follow Up By: The Boss (Formerly Kroozer) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 21:21

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 21:21
Graham, see the thing is with Penrite oils, and the Motor you have in your Tojo, you dont even need a filter. Toyota just put a filter on there for looks. LOL

Best motor money can buy that one
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 21:52

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 21:52
Maybe you having a lend of me as you Aussies say


Anyway I agree and thats why I look after it


Actually Toyota built a better petrol motor in the Corona ST150 which you didnt have here
Have seen some with 700,000k and never had a spanner on them apart from belts etc

You could do a cam belt at 100kph and it would just slow to a stop No noises no expensive bills.
More than I can say for the multivalves

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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:52

Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:52
Hi 'The Boss',
I remember the thread on LCOOL that Graham has mentioned. An interesting thing about the filter comparison was that the amount of filter material inside of the can varied a lot between brands. Some brands had a big can with little inside, others had multilayer etc.etc.

KK
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:14

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:14
My 2000 4.2td Patrol has now done over 200,000.

I have used the following filters since new.

OIL....Sakura C1819 & C1835

AIR... K&N reusable oiled filter.

Fuel... Cav system (replacement for Nissan system) not recommended for CRD.

Pump over filter. (Tank to Tank) common cheap petrol filter around $2.50.

When travelling I make sure that I carry K&N cleaning kit and at least 2 sets of oil and fuel filters plus a complete change of fan belts. As well as radiator hoses.

One can tell when the air filter needs cleaning on the 4.2 as they have a lag around 3200rpm when pushed to 4,000rpm. Then its a case of cleaning the air and the revs pile back on easily.

I also make sure that the oil is changed every 5,000 k's diligently.

I also grease all nipples at each oil change.

I do a lot of dusty driving in this area without any problems except the exterior gets pretty grubby between washes. Th engine shows no signs of dusting at all and still goes just as hard as ever.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Reply By: pdm3006 - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:04

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:04
Fuel - I also use a CAV filter (as mentioned in these replies) with glass bowl so you can see if you have any water or crud in there. If so, drop the bowl, clean put back on and off you go. CAV replacement filters are about $6 each. You can get the CAV kits that replace the factory fuel filter for around $90 including a filter from various places and also on eBay.

Air - I use a standard paper type. I just blow it out with compressed air every now and then, or tap most of it out against a rock as also mentioned in replies. New they are only $30 each any way.

Oil - you cannot go past Baldwin oil filters ! I use Baldwin BD7029 (full flow) about $20 each and BT341 Bypass filter about $16 each. I change the bypass filter every 5,000 kms, full flow every 20,000 kms or when my oil analysis comes back saying change the oil. You can buy from a variety of places including eBay, and you can buy direct from Baldwin in Melbourne. They are very knowledgeable and helpfull.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:20

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 17:20
YeP! Fit a bypass filter and change all the factory spin on filters at 20,000ks.. I have a Filter Technology bypass and i change the bypass each 5000ks and the oil and the filters at 20,000. The bypass filter is about $8 so its clear to see you can save money.. With all the cash you save, just buy Genuine spin ons to give you peace of mind... Michael
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Reply By: Mick O - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 20:00

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2010 at 20:00
Malcolm,

I never venture away from strandard with the Patrol. I have been getting my bits through Nizzbits. Email them at nizzbits@hotmail.com Saved me a fortune over the years with parts, filters etc. All genuine parts, all delivered to your door.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 13:07

Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 13:07
Mick!! Genuine is the go!! I remember Toyoya a few years ago had a advertisement on TV showing the filtration difference between original and and unnamed makers. They showed the multi layers of paper against the single layer on the aftermarket unit..Its probably the same for Nissan. I reckon a lot of aftermarket filters would only stop nuts and bolts from entering the pump with litle real filtration. Michael.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 19:31

Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 19:31
any test that compares to "un-named makers" in reality is probably less than worthless.
If they wont name who they are comparing to for fear of research not stacking up in court-best disregard it I think. And Im a Toyota bloke too!
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Reply By: Injected - Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 18:10

Thursday, Jan 21, 2010 at 18:10
Malcom1
with your oil filter make sure it has the one way valve in the bottom if the factory filter has it, unsure of what it does, but my mechanic told me to be sure that all my aftermarket filters has the one way valve in bottom
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