Australia Day

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To ALL, whack a flag up ya pole and have a ripper day, for this truly is the lucky country
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:47

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:47
Blood oath, Rip. Onya !!!!!

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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:03

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:03
Just a quick question.

Yesterday, as well as many people flying the Aussie flag from their cars, I also noticed a fair few flying the Eureka flag.
Some cheered them on others seemed to chastise them.

Whats the history behind the Eureka flag and why does it seem to provoke different attitudes ?



Cheers......Lionel.
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Reply By: Toadkeeper Jo aka Qlder Jo - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:21

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:21
Eureka Flag meaning
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:34

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:34
Thanks Jo,

In light of what I read I would support the flying of the flag, however, the fact that the unions now fly it [aka Reynolds and McDonald] would suggest they are just as much bullies as the old establishment.

Anyway, each to his own.


Cheers......Lionel.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:46

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:46
I was always fond of the Eureka flag. Unfortunately, in recent years it has become the badge of the exterme nationalist wacos. Check the number of kids who go out looking for racist confrontation who wear it as a tatoo. The bloke who directed "Sampson and Delilah" wrote an article (I think it was in The Age) last week as why he sees the Eureka Flag as Australia's swastika. Weird how what was a symbol of the far left in Australia a couple of decades ago has now been taken up by the far right.
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Follow Up By: travelmate2 - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:40

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:40
Mfewster

thats because we had a decade of the far Right under Howard and they pushed the nationalist,

In our paper over here in the West today a bloke wrote into the letters section

Qoute" When I see cars adorned with Australian flags, the words redneck, good ol'boys, KKK, Gestapo, Tampa, fundamentalism and intolerance come to mind. I wonder which words enter the thought of John Howard, Philip Ruddock and Pauline Hanson. I'm betting against oops or sorry. un-quote.

we are not alone.

cheers
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:46

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:46
What a load of garbage.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:09

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:09
Now what do you base that on Off-Track? Spend any time in Melbourne? Come across any of the lads talking about "curries" and "curry eaters"? Check their tatts.
Australia Day is (should be, can be) great, but how do you feel about the gangs that went around in Sydney demanding that people kiss an Australian flag and assaulting them if they didn't?
I am a proud Australian, but there is a thin line between that and the kind of nationalism that we went to war against in 1939.
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:30

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:30
Not quite right Mfewster; the director was railing against the use of the Southern Cross as the insignia of the far right ultra nationalistic yobbo.

Back in the ‘70’s when the issue of an Australian flag and Anthem became an issue I firmly believed that the Eureka flag should be adopted as the Australian flag; but it was adopted by the BLF and other far left unions and organisations during the social and workplace disputes of that period.

It makes sense that it was adopted, given the stated aims of these organisations and the miners at Eureka, fighting against the moneyed ‘Establishment’ (and the British social caste system imported by the squattocracy) and the legal system in cahoots with them.

One small group of far left wing adopted it and now in the minds of many the Eureka flag represents the far left.

The Eureka flag is a stylised representation of the Southern Cross, marked out in a cross. It is still owned by the far left

However, the Southern Cross (as in astronomical arrangement) seems to be the insignia the far right (ultra nationalistic jingoistic xenophobes). It is not a flag to fight under like the existing flag that represents a country, a political, legal and social ideal which has created Australia; it is a flag to fight against other Australians that they are intolerant of

Whilst these two icons are owned by the extremes of the left and the right, current flag (with the Union Jack) will remain the flag of the majority of moderate Australians
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:52

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:52
Hi Nargun. Yes I accept that, although I have seen the old Peter Lalor Eureka flag being waved by the xenophobic mpb as well. They probably have zilch understanding of its history. Unfortunately, they don't just keep to the Southern Cross, the same lot abuse the official Australian flag in the same way.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 21:25

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 21:25
People will see what they want to see, and will look for common things to group people into classes, groups, races etc. Everyone does it.

I have seen individuals of non_Anglo Australian backgrounds sporting the Southern Cross and I bet there are many same in the building industry that have the Eureka flag on their work clothes or car. Are they xenophobes? Are they "redneck, good ol'boys, KKK, Gestapo, Tampa, fundamentalist and intolerant (sic)"?

Make sure you dont have a pair of Doc Martens in the cupboard. Dont dare drive a WB ute especially if adorned with Aussie paraphernalia. Dont cut your hair with a shaver. And more than anything do not ever enter into a debate on the side of the Aussie way of life, because it is centred on Anglo-Saxon, christian ideals which are clearly racist.

There is truth that there are groups that use all of the above, and more, to further their own racist ideals but to tar everyone with that brush is dumb, shortsighted and frankly just as bad as those groups of intolerant people under question.

The best way to prevent these groups stealing the Southern Cross / Eureka flag is to steal it back (bit like what Bono said once about "Helter Skelter"). The more that moderate people adorn themselves with these items the less they will be seen as representative of unsavoury groups.
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Reply By: ob - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 19:36

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 19:36
Saw a bloke drive past work yesterday who had all bases covered. He had the Australian flag, Eureka Flag, a yellow and gold boxing kangaroo flag, and the Aboriginal flag on his WB Holden ute.

Cheers ob
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:54

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:54
Travelmate2. Yeah, it's a bit sad when the flag starts to get connotations like that. Mind you, I like the approach of the bloke ob spotted who covered all bases with all possible Oz flags. Add a U.N flag as well to that collection and and I'd consider flying them.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:19

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:19
Take this for what you will.

James Hardy was instrumental in the campaign to change the flag a while ago.

The RSL threatened to remove his wines from sale at their clubs based on his stance. Hardy bowed to the presure.

I found that somewhat contradictory. The RSL was based on on fighting for freedom of choice, yet bullied a man into conforming to their beliefs.

Odd.

Jim.

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Reply By: Member - Michael O (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:39

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:39
I spent Australia Day on the Murrumbidgee in Wagga and want to know why the same clowns with the Australian flag tattooed on their cheek and another flag worn as a cape, leave the most rubbish behind??????
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Reply By: swampy66 - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 23:34

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 23:34
AUSTRALIANS ARE VERY PATRIOTIC !!

Especially when Aussie Flags are given away for free with every purchase of a carton of beer.

I think we have the liquor outlets to thank for our increase in patriotism over the past decade.



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Follow Up By: travelmate2 - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 01:56

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 01:56
Is that a Russian accent I hear there Conrade :-)
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Reply By: get outmore - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 01:46

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 01:46
I would sincerely like to thank the Chinese peasants for making it possible for us to display our flag by providing them cheap enough to be given away
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Reply By: Top End Explorer - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:06

Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:06
Hi Guys

Don"t you love Jet lag at 3.30am not.

We have been watching a lot of winter sport over in Germany, there are thousands of spectators from all the different countries watching, standing side by side, most of them were waving a flag supporting the country they came from.

We arrived home yesterday morning, Australia day, as we drove around Darwin getting ready to come home to Jabiru, we saw a Ute muster, People of all ages, people from different back grounds, driving different makes and model cars, fling the flags of Australia, the NT flag and the Aboriginal flag of all different sizes.

They were having a ball by the looks, It was great to come home a see people being proud, and it made me feel proud to be an Ozzie, I would much rather see this type of show than the riots a few years ago.

By the way, the wife has decided to become an Ozzie soon as well.

Cheers Steve.

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