Snatch strap on tow ball
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:47
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Member - Greg H (NT)
Gidday all,
A bloke snatched me out of a bog once by using my tow ball for the anchor point to pull me out backwards. He used a type of knot? with my strap that did not slip on the ball. I can't remember how he did the knot. Any clues?
Cheers
Greg
Reply By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:51
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:51
Uh-oh.......
'scuse me while I pop out & pop some corn in the popcorn poppin' thingy.....
Be right back...
;-)))
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:57
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:57
Greg,
Only one tip I can give you mate.
Forget any knot for this purpose.
Do not under any circumstances use the tow ball to attach a snatch strap.
The load that can be applied to the tow ball is extreme and you run the risk of propelling the ball like a missile though the other vehicle or someone else in the vicinity.
The correct method when using a tow bar mount to attach a snatch strap is to remove the receiver pin and remove the whole receiver assembly, then place
the loop of one end of the snatch strap into the receiver and secure with the original pin.
The Tow ball is not designed to take the extreme shock load of a snatch recovery.
Bill.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:04
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:04
Reef Knot.....))).
Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Road Warrior - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:09
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:09
People have been killed by flying towballs from doing this.
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Reply By: poppywhite - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:32
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:32
Tow ball is unsafe for recovery point. They make a great effective lethal missile though.
There is lot of info on recovery methods do a bit of search and research on here and some other sites,
There is probally 1/2 dozen knots. Try a search engine or library for different knots and uses, everyone has there favourite
op you going to share that popcorn
:)
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:39
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:39
Hi Greg
Like others have stated above, NEVER attach a snatch strap to a tow ball. This is a very serious accident just waiting for someone to be killed. A snatch strap should only be attached to a proper rated recovery point, end of question, period!!
Stephen
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:48
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:48
My cousin married a widow some years after the event. Not a nice thing to happen when she was trying to pull her husband out of the bog.
Mh
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Reply By: Member - Greg H (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:58
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:58
The beauty about this type of
forum is it can be blunt and to the point and if you are not wearing your thick skinned coat maybe you should be playing by yourself.
Appreciate your replies and I do understand that using the tow ball is dangerous, but remember if you don't ask the question you don't get an answer.
As people have said before "the dumbest question is the one that you don't ask"
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 17:09
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 17:09
Greg, also,"no such thing as a dumb question, only dumb answers"...........
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Follow Up By: Fiona & Paul - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:19
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:19
I will agree with that one
John, it dosen't take much of an effort to give an informed answer.
Paul H
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Follow Up By: ob - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:56
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:56
As has been said about dumb questions and dumb answers. The only thing dumber is ignoring good advice when it is given regardless of the amount of perceived tact applied.
Cheers ob
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Follow Up By: Member - Humff(TAS) - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 15:24
Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 15:24
"ask a silly question and you are a fool for a minute.......dont ask that silly question and you are a fool for ever" and believe me I have asked some corkers over the years.
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 18:00
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 18:00
Greg,
he most likely used a bowline, just google ir and you will see how to tie it.
Have a good one and don't worry about some replies, I am sure they meant
well.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 18:48
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 18:48
I'm guessing that he placed the eye of the snatch strap over the tongue of the towbar and wrapped it around several times crossing over each side of the eye, with the final cross-over stopped by the ball. Hard to explain, easy to show. :)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:56
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:56
I saw a photo in a 4WD magazine today.of a towbar with the ball removed, and a rated shackle inserted in it's place. The article said this was an acceptable snatch set up.
Roger B...
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 00:53
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 00:53
I've used Andrew's method on many occasions, and it is perfectly safe provided that the towball tongue does not have sharp corners to cut into the snatch strap.
The friction of the wraps puts all the load onto the tongue and the towball just stops the strap from moving under load, much the same as the rolled up newspaper is used when joining two looped ropes together..
It works and so far I have not noticed any damage to the snatch strap. I inspect it after each de-bog situation
Disco.
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Follow Up By: Member - Greg H (NT) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:09
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:09
Thanks Disco,
I knew there was a way. But i think with the question it was hard to explain! Now if someone could tell me how this was done for my curiosity?
Greg
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Reply By: OREJAP - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:53
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:53
I would think the rescuer has looped the snatch strap over the tow receiver section & back through it's self probably like tieing a "bowline" knot however I would not think any knot would be used by an experienced person because like tightening a rated bow shackle you back them off half a turn because when the recovery is performed the force on the "rated" shackle can be such that it is very hard to undo the shackle....knots just bind tight & probably a good sharp knife is your only answer in releasing them. The rescuer probably just looped it using the towball as a stopper so to speak to prevent strap from slipping off. I would never do this because I consider it too dangerous. The safest way would be to remove towing "sleeve" from receiver on your Hayman Reece...putting loop of s/strap into receiver & put holding pin back through s/strap loop. This method & using rated shackles for other recoveries is taught at 4X4 schools/courses. Some people have been known to use unrated D shaclkes which are only suitable to secure your dogs lead to it's collar. There is also a correct way to join snatch straps together but some people prefer to loop inside loop & use a stick or rolled up newpaper to stop them coming apart.
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 13:11
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 13:11
The stick or rolled up newspaper is to stop the loops overtightening during the recovery, pull out the stick and the loops can be undone.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 13:25
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 13:25
Gday,
I think you have probably got the idea about snatching from the tow ball by now so I wont go there......
BUT.......to answer your question.......it was probably connected like this.
I occasionly connect it like this if I'm towing (not snatching) someone out of a bog or dragging wood around. There isn't as much pressure on the ball because it locks around the tongue.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Greg H (NT) - Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 21:12
Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010 at 21:12
Thanks Hairy,
So simple!
I wont put snatch strap and tow ball in the same sentence again!!
Cheers
Greg
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:07
Thursday, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:07
Greg
If you have a Hayman Reece type towbar, the correct way would to remove the towbar, from the sleeve, and then use the pin through the eye of the snatch strap, and lock it into place.
Cheers
Bucky
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