Silly question, but could it be done?

For those that have done it, could the CSR be done in a 2WD high clearance ute, like the Ford Ranger / Mazda BT50 style.

Did you actually need 4WD or just the ground clearance?

Not planning anything, just asking a question of those that have been there.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:14

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:14
hi nickoff

imho no way ??????

imho -- it would be a case of allowing stupidy to over ride common sense you would have to be in the company of 2 very capable 4wd so they could tow you over the majority of sand hills

there are sections that can be driven in 2wd but the sand hills are a totally different senario

i have driven the entire length of the csr so speak from experience

i seem to recall that some one( 2 individuals in fact actually did try in the early days or part there of csr in old vehicles but only got so far some one else will know the facts it might be in ( eric and ronnelles gards books on the csr)

but you asked the question and i have given you my straight and honest opinion
but i know that i stand being corrected or ridiculed for my comment and so be it
i guess anything is possible depending on how determined one is ??????????
cheers for what it's worth

and i dont think it was a stupid question as if you dont ask you dont learn
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:24

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:24
nickoff,

Reg Falconer, the son of a station owner, drove a 1915 Silver Ghost Rolls Royce from Wiluna to Well 10.

Guy Half-track vehicles in 1925 were used on the top section of the CSR.

The first full trip by a 2WD was in 1985. The vehicle was a shortened VW Beach Buggy. It was powered by an 3K Toyota engine.

So to answer your question is has been done but not recommended and I would think that the modern day 2WD vehicle would bog down very quick.

The track has been roughed up a bit with all the vehicles that use it now and that would also make it very hard to drive the CSR in a 2WD.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:57

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:57
I would imagine the light weight of the buggy would have been a huge help.
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Follow Up By: Injected - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 14:22

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 14:22
Plus having engine in the rear, as all VW beach buggies do or did.
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Reply By: nickoff - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:29

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:29
Thank you for your answers.
Was a idea I was thinking, and having watched some of Pat Calligans 4 X 4 show the other day, the tracks he was driving didn't look that bad.
I have driven worse towing a campa trailer with a 2 X 4 Hilux ute in Central Australia in the past.
Thank you for you opinions based on first hand experience.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:38

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:38
Yes well, he's not going to embarrass himself on telly is he??
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Follow Up By: nickoff - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:42

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:42
Suppose so. Bet my Ford Ranger is more reliable than his Patrol.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:51

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:51
nickoff,

I have not seen the Pat Callinan's show on the CSR, only driven the CSR 5 times over the past 5 years and there is no way that the tracks, despite what you have seen on TV, are that easy.

Have a look at the image at the bottom of this reply. It is of a dune on the CSR and the sand is very soft.


Wayne
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:57

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 14:57
This highlights the danger of TV shows like Pat Callinan's . At least nickoff had the good sense to ask about the idea.

I wonder if others may just take of and give it a go anyway, in the processes getting themselves in trouble.

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Follow Up By: Notso - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:07

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:07
The big thing we should all remember is that shows like this have heaps of backup and all the gear at their disposal.

There's nothing special about what he or any of the others on Telly do. It is a TV production. The ones I feel sorry for are the crew carting all the gear around to get the "Good Shot"
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:25

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:25
The "Show" only showed the bottom part of the CSR, The rest will be on next week.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:18

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:18
The whole series has already been on TV - these are just repeats.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 21:31

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 21:31
nickoff, you were not alone in your observations. I said to the handbrake that we have dragged our caravan through heaps worse than that. I am not suggesting I would take the van on the CSR though hehehehe and I am sure there is more interesting sections to come in next weeks show.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:17

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 15:17
It is also very inconsiderate to drive in 2WD (or with over inflated tyres) on tracks, even if it is possible as this is what causes damage and corrugations, IMHO.

Cheers,
Peter
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Reply By: wicket - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:13

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:13
Should be easy, saw any number of 2wd cars in the Dakar.
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:38

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:38
Wouldn't you deflate 2wd tyres the same as for a 4wd for those conditions?
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:39

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 16:39
Maybe with the right tyres, difflocks, recovery gear and a couple of mates in 4wds?
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Reply By: racinrob - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 17:08

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 17:08
The old saying, " A good driver in a 2wd will go further than a bad driver in a 4wd", comes to mind.
Back in the 50's, I think it was a photographer by the name of Geoff Carter took pics of very remote areas of central Oz, his vehicle was a 2wd Peugeot 203 ute, no back up he got there and more importantly got back.

Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:38

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:38
hi racinrob
back in the 50's the back tracks hardly ever saw a vehicle so they would have been more compacted
not cut up constantly as they are today
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:27

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 18:27
Nickoff

This is adapted from another reply I just did on the Canning.

I would suggest you go to the blog index search on "Canning" and have a good read, if you have not already done so. There are quite a few video clips as well that show the track and some of the corrugations. I did this over the weekend so I know it is enlightening.

If anyone tries it in a 2WD after that GOOD LUCK.

One thing that came across in the blogs was that the condition of the track has deteriorated and is a lot more corrugated than it used to be. = HARDER

Also if you select a commercially available rugged high ground clearance vehicle with diff lock and lots of suspension travel for practical purposes you more or less have a 4X4 running in 2WD mode. May as well go all the way. Travelling the CSR is not about "proving" anything to anyone. Someone travelling it should select the right tool for the job and at the present state of motor vehicle technology that is a high ground clearance 4X4.

Flynnie

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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 22:14

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 22:14
Honest question - how do corrugations make it harder for a 2WD?
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Follow Up By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 23:57

Monday, Feb 01, 2010 at 23:57
Off-track

Corrugations make it harder for all vehicles of all shapes and sizes and all number of driven wheels. A vehicle that could get through a track without corrugations will find it a lot harder on a badly corrugated track on similar terrain.

There are a lot of readers who would never have been into the sandy deserts and would think corrugations are nothing much based on their experience on formed dirt roads. I must say I was a bit like that too not so long ago. I had heard of the similar corrugations in the Simpson desert and thought "how can sand get corrugations?" saw pictures that showed them and went on to really believe when I drove over them. The pictures I have seen of the Canning corrugations are very similar to the Simpson desert corrugations.

Sometimes they are so big they are more like waves in the sand than what people would normally think of as corrugations, particularly crossing a sand dune on the approach and descent. They make it hard to maintain steady momentum when cresting a dune and can cause a lot of bouncing and pitching. The wheels not in contact with the ground can not help maintain momentum. A 4X4 has twice as many powered wheels than a 2WD and is less affected.

The corrugations hammer the vehicle mercilessly and usually manage to break something sooner or later.

The sand has stories to tell. Sometimes you can see where someone has gone much too fast up a dune causing scalloping and then you can see where they touch down hard on the other side. I have often wondered how many impacts a front diff can take on sand before breaking.

Flynnie
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 00:17

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 00:17
Aah, yes. I was thinking of hard packed corrugations as opposed to sand. Good point.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael John T (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 00:46

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 00:46
Off-track,

There are plenty of them as well on the CSR, especially just North and South of well 33 and that was in 2005, they would be worse now (much more traffic).

Mike.
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Follow Up By: nickoff - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:50

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:50
Thank you all for you reply's and considered input. As I said, was only and idea. Idea discarded. Ho Hum. Find something else to try....


Cheers, Nick.
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