E10 Fuel to replace regular unleaded in the not so distant future???.
Submitted: Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:01
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Member - Axle
Here we go again with this state government!! ......Near common knowledge now that E10 can cause horrible things to happen through out a motor if used all the time!... I have been informed twice now from servo proprieters them selves that E10 fuel can cause trouble in the long run!
Jeez!!! the premium prices don't excite me to much!... It will be another win for the oil burners...lol, Although Diesel is not all that far behind in price most of the time... What a bloody circus this fuel issue is becomming!.
Bring on the alternatives!..lol.
Cheers Axle.
Reply By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:56
Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:56
Axle,
The only known problems (that I have read about) with E10 is the
breakdown of some seals in the fuel lines. Most modern cars have this
well sorted. I've not heard of any issues with the effect on mechanical components. E85 is apparently used in Europe and I believe in V8 Touring Cars (I just can't come to terms with that "Supercar" terminology).
HOWEVER,
Royalauto did a
test recently with two identical vehicles using Unleaded and E10. Apparently Ethanol has a lower energy output than Unleaded and therefore you use more Ethanol than petrol to get a given output. The conclusion was that E10 was actually marginally more expensive to use than Unleaded.
Interesting,
Jim Best.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:12
Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:12
Hi Jim, Have not heard of the problem you mention, But lubrication drying up at the top end of the motor has been mentioned to me a few times from different sources with the constant use of this fuel .........Maybe?....Maybe not???....Theres always a issue somewhere?.....LOL.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:23
Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:23
Axle,
The problem I was talking about was the corrosive qualities of Ethanol. Apparently it is more "solvent" than Petrol and has a propensity to dissolve some seals, leading to goop finding its way into the engine which does not agree with fuel injection. Also can create leaks in the fuel lines.
I'm working from memory here, so it may not be that reliable LOL.
Jim.
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Reply By: Member - Cantiva Clay (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 23:33
Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 23:33
I've kept detailed record of fuel used vs avg speed distance and engine running time and ran e10 for 6 straight tanks, coupla thousand kays, and gave up the
test because of the obvious drop in economy, up on a pretty clear 0.8l/100km town and country. Despite the higher octane, its meant to be 95 octane, the engine felt worse than 91, reminiscent of lpg., and then theres the nervousnes of the water in the tank issue.. However 91 is becoming increasingly hard to find. Anyway NSW has plenty of water (NOT), so its good the state gov is supporting the qld sugar growers to keep our fuel prices down........ LOL!!
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 09:16
Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 09:16
There was a report in one of the boating mags a while back and their research suggested ethenol and boating were not a good combo. The main reason was that the fuel seperates (over time) and as mentioned above the alcohol seems to attract moisture (we all know this right) and it then becomes heavier than the fuel so settles on the bottom. This is also the location of your fuel pickup and guess what when the engine is started it gets a shot of water first. I know I glossed over the details and there were other reasons as
well.
My issue is that I don't drive the Patrol all the time and it can sit there for months - probably enough time for the fuel to become somewhat stale and if I had E10 possibly some extra moisture on start up. I know the filter should do its job but this will also suffer with extra moisture.
My trip to
Sydney last Xmas I was unable to buy unleaded at Woollies in
Richmond so this is all happening.
Kind regards
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