E10 Fuel to replace regular unleaded in the not so distant future???.

Submitted: Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:01
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Here we go again with this state government!! ......Near common knowledge now that E10 can cause horrible things to happen through out a motor if used all the time!... I have been informed twice now from servo proprieters them selves that E10 fuel can cause trouble in the long run!

Jeez!!! the premium prices don't excite me to much!... It will be another win for the oil burners...lol, Although Diesel is not all that far behind in price most of the time... What a bloody circus this fuel issue is becomming!.

Bring on the alternatives!..lol.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:26

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:26
Hoi Axle !!

What is the long run? Bit of a shady statement that.

We use E10 when we see it (always trying tro save a few cents here and there) and the little car runs well on it. This past trip to the Far East (NSW) and beyond returned 9/100 at a steady speed. So far no detrimental effects.

What about Hydrogen?...lol


Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:39

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:39
Thats it Willem!, Hydrogen!!'......LOL


E10, Well good luck, but its a bit like the early gas systems, IMHO,

Nothing will go wrong , or all hell will break loose!!

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:27

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:27
Hi Axle,

From 1 July 2011 E10 replaces regular unleaded in NSW. It went to 4% in January.

Graeme
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:56

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:56
Axle,

The only known problems (that I have read about) with E10 is the breakdown of some seals in the fuel lines. Most modern cars have this well sorted. I've not heard of any issues with the effect on mechanical components. E85 is apparently used in Europe and I believe in V8 Touring Cars (I just can't come to terms with that "Supercar" terminology).

HOWEVER,

Royalauto did a test recently with two identical vehicles using Unleaded and E10. Apparently Ethanol has a lower energy output than Unleaded and therefore you use more Ethanol than petrol to get a given output. The conclusion was that E10 was actually marginally more expensive to use than Unleaded.

Interesting,

Jim Best.

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:12

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:12
Hi Jim, Have not heard of the problem you mention, But lubrication drying up at the top end of the motor has been mentioned to me a few times from different sources with the constant use of this fuel .........Maybe?....Maybe not???....Theres always a issue somewhere?.....LOL.



Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:23

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:23
Axle,

The problem I was talking about was the corrosive qualities of Ethanol. Apparently it is more "solvent" than Petrol and has a propensity to dissolve some seals, leading to goop finding its way into the engine which does not agree with fuel injection. Also can create leaks in the fuel lines.

I'm working from memory here, so it may not be that reliable LOL.

Jim.

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Reply By: Madfisher - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:13

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:13
Their was a report on the prime network news to night of the damage that E10 is causing to motors.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:39

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:39
Saw the tail end of that.


That wasn't a good look Pete!!, if it was to be fair dinkum, by any means


Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: dbish - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:54

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 21:54
I avoid alcohol blended fuel like the plague in my outboards & generators mainly moisture moisture & corosion problems. Daryl
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Reply By: ian zzr - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 22:12

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 22:12
ethanol also has the ability to be hydroscopic , and have seen more water settling in fuel systems , but does remix on aggitation i suppose if used all the time ok , but if left to sit water separates and rust does form
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Reply By: BuggerBoggedAgain - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 22:27

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 22:27
I would like to know how this new fuel is going to affect lawn mowers and outboard motors, thers is no mention of either when the government starts spinning E10
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Follow Up By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 00:00

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 00:00
I don't run any of my small engines on 91 or E10. 91 is pretty poor and E10 is irrelevant for that use. Only use 98 in them or 95 if I can't get the high octane stuff. So 91 disappearing will make no difference.

For car use mileage varies. I use E10 sometimes, but not much. No dramas. We use E10 at work, maybe as much as 75% of the fuel used. No problems. Some cars seem to run better on it than 91.

91 is such an inferior fuel that I will not lament its passing.

Flynnie
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Follow Up By: cycadcenter - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 04:15

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 04:15
You guys in Oz don't realise how lucky you are.

Over here in the good old US of A the standard unleaded is 87 octane and Premium is 91 octane.

the ethanol based will be E85.

One is tempted to add a shot of Jack Daniels to every tank full

Regards

Bruce

Aussie expat

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Follow Up By: Honky - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:11

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:11
I think you will find that the octane in US is rated different in Australia.
The US 87 is about 91 in Oz

Honky
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Follow Up By: Honky - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:12

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:12
From Wikapeadia

Difference between RON and AKI
Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the octane rating shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the rating shown elsewhere in the world for the same fuel. See the table in the following section for a comparison.

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Follow Up By: cycadcenter - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:46

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:46
Thanks for that, you learn something everyday.

Bruce
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Reply By: Member - Cantiva Clay (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 23:33

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 23:33
I've kept detailed record of fuel used vs avg speed distance and engine running time and ran e10 for 6 straight tanks, coupla thousand kays, and gave up the test because of the obvious drop in economy, up on a pretty clear 0.8l/100km town and country. Despite the higher octane, its meant to be 95 octane, the engine felt worse than 91, reminiscent of lpg., and then theres the nervousnes of the water in the tank issue.. However 91 is becoming increasingly hard to find. Anyway NSW has plenty of water (NOT), so its good the state gov is supporting the qld sugar growers to keep our fuel prices down........ LOL!!
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 09:16

Friday, Feb 05, 2010 at 09:16
There was a report in one of the boating mags a while back and their research suggested ethenol and boating were not a good combo. The main reason was that the fuel seperates (over time) and as mentioned above the alcohol seems to attract moisture (we all know this right) and it then becomes heavier than the fuel so settles on the bottom. This is also the location of your fuel pickup and guess what when the engine is started it gets a shot of water first. I know I glossed over the details and there were other reasons as well.

My issue is that I don't drive the Patrol all the time and it can sit there for months - probably enough time for the fuel to become somewhat stale and if I had E10 possibly some extra moisture on start up. I know the filter should do its job but this will also suffer with extra moisture.

My trip to Sydney last Xmas I was unable to buy unleaded at Woollies in Richmond so this is all happening.

Kind regards
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