Breaksafe Electric Brake Break away system
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:01
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Tina G
We found our caravan down on the ground yesterday (Mornington Peninsula, Victoria) when we came home from work, someone had tried to steal it. (Insert in here, many swear words!).
They stole the jockey wheel and bolt and removed (hack saw?) the coupling lock. It appears the braking system was activated by the thieves and they couldnt move the caravan. Police found one good finger print so lets hope they match it on their data base.
My question to you experts, could we leave the breaksafe pin out of the switch, with the battery charged in the caravan, and use it as an anti theft device?
Reply By: Baz&Pud (Tassie) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:27
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:27
Hi yu Tina
Can't actually answer your question other than to say in the instruction book it says not to use the braking system as a stopping device when stationary as it will flatten the battery. But if you have the van on 240v and the battery is being charged can't see that it would be a problem.
See what the experts say.
Cheers
Baz
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:10
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:10
The magnets etc would burn out if left like that.
Also the Breaksafe 5000 has a built in battery and trickle charger which normally is charged off the car when travelling and as its not used at other times it doesnt need constant charging
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Reply By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30
Tina, that would leave your electric brake pump switched on all the time. I am interested they removed the coupling lock. Perhaps you need to get a better one. Some use wheel clamps or cables or heavy hardened chains though
wheels and axles.
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Follow Up By: Tina G - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:50
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:50
Further to my query. I have located the Breaksafe workings under a
seat. The battery is flicking on low, barely. Its almost dead flat. Apparently we have to replace the battery now. Shame the ac or dc wont recharge it.
I believe the battery only lasts for about 20 minutes with the brakes locked and brake lights on.
It served the purpose, thanks heavens.
So my theory of disconnecting the breaksafe as an anti theft device wouldnt work.
Yes, we will replace the coupling anti theft lock and look at wheel clamps.
Apparently caravans are flavour of the month for thefts, currently, so all beware! (What a pity I dont sell excellent anti theft devices and be able to market them!).
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 13:40
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 13:40
Tina, it could be your battery could be recovered to some extent depending on the quality and sophistication of the charger and how long the battery was flat for and how flat, and of course the type of battery.
Some AGM batteries have the capacity to be heavily flattened and are termed AGM Deep Cycle batteries, but are still AGM batteries. AGM (Absorbed Glass Matt) is another research area for you, the glass matt helps prevent distortion of the lead plates when they discharge and should give longer life.
We have the Brakesafe fitted to our KK and usually leave it erected in the shed. You have to be ' in the know' to get it out and that would take time and attract attention.
Look to see hat battery capacity you have an whether perhaps you should put in a bigger battery bank, though next time potential thieves may bring an angle grinder for chains or whatever anti-theft devices you fit
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:13
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:13
To Who was that again
The size of the batteries in the van doesnt matter as the Breaksafe 5000 has its own battery and charger which normally is charged off the car and not off the van.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:55
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:55
If you had a motion-sensing switch it could activate the brakes when it detected any van movement.
But I thought even a dumb burglar would be smart enough to cut the wires going to the brake drums.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 15:11
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 15:11
Sounds like some good luck came out of bad Tina. Firstly, does you break away system have its own small battery, or is it connected to your general caravan power batteries (if you have them)?
One the pin is pulled, i thought the small battery only lasted 10 or 15 minutes. If you have this, you'd be best to get it checked by a battery
shop to see if it able to be recharged and work, or if beyond recovery. If connected to you 'in house' batteries, get them tested likewise. They will most likely ask for the batteries to be put on a charger before testing.
The breakaway is only for an emergency until you can immobilise the caravan if it comes adrift when towing, and this usually means 10 minutes to put on the handbrake and/or put stones behind the
wheels. It cannot be left out, or after so many minutes you battery will be flat and the brakes no longer effective.
If you wanted to keep an in house battery charged with the pin pulled when parked, you would not be able to keep the charge up - the brakes pull a lot of current.
Lucky they were dumb would be thieves. They may come back, so find another way of securing the van in the interim or store it elsewhere out of sight.
Motherhen
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 15:58
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 15:58
If it is a BREAKSAFE BRAND it will have a rechargeable sealed lead acid battery which is normally charged when travelling and connected to the car
You can buy chargers for these from DICK SMITH or Battery world
My van also charges it through the inbuilt battery charger.
There are other brands as
well of course but all have similar batteries.
A battery will cost about $36,approx the same price as a charger
Which I have and no longer have a use for it in the new van
If it is a genuine Breaksafe it will have two terminals on the front right top corner to which you can hook up a CTEK or simialr battrey charger.
I did that when I had a wiring problem and it went flat Came up OK
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Reply By: OREJAP - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 16:08
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 16:08
Put a signs inside your van. So visitors can see it from the street. "VAN GUARDED BY HELLS ANGEL WITH SHOTGUN 4 DAYS A WEEK.....YOU PICK WHICH DAYS!!!" Take you battery to a Auto Elect. I had a similar problem & it took them 2 days to slowly charge it up to new again & I am assuming it's a AGM 12 volt for the whole van. If you decide to tip it...claim your new one on insurance!! I hope the coppers get the mongrels off the f/print. The anti motion device or just the wheel clamp probably better the opportunity theives will see the clamps & give it a miss going to something easier. Good luck
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:48
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:48
Breaksafes have a little Sealed lead acid battery which would cost a lot less than your excess on most vans.
Even a full sized AGM may also not be worth claiming on as it would push up your next premium.
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Reply By: rayj - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 16:35
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 16:35
What brand of van? Here in
perth 2 Supreme Territories Have been knocked off in the last couple of weeks. Hope it is not becoming a trend.
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Follow Up By: Tina G - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 18:09
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 18:09
We have a Jayco Sterling, with in built battery system.
Battery out of the Breaksafe 5000 is now on a slow trickle charge.
New coupling lock in place and wheel clamp for all to see.
Replaced the jockey wheel and screw/bolt on the jockey wheel clamp.
This is the 3rd incident since September, so I hope we are in the clear for many years of incident free caravanning (after the past 30 or so without issues).
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 18:13
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 18:13
You can as I said just hook up 12 volts to the front terminals.
I hook my Ctek to it on power mode as the 5000 has its own charger built in so it only needs 12 volts into those terminals
No need to take the battery out to charge it
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Follow Up By: Tina G - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:50
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:50
Thanks Graham H, but unfortunately I dont understand what you mean.
There is the black box on the draw bar, where the activation wire fits. There is the Breaksafe 5000 main box fitted inside the caravan under the front lounge. Top right there are red and black knobs (is this what you refer to as the terminals?). Top left is test button and indicators which show battery level. My husband unscrewed the box from the wall of the caravan and took out the battery.
Please explain where he could have hooked it up.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:25
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:25
I can fax you the instructions if you like.
Yes they are to connect power wires to charge flat batteries.
All you needed to do was hook a red 12v+ wire to the red terminal and an earth wire to the black.
A wire from the socket on the TV aerial would be ok
In the instructions it says to do that and just leave it for 12hours and turn the power off and press the test button.
The 5000 has an inbuilt charger of its own hence it only requires 12volts to the terminals.
It normally charges from the car when travelling usually via pin 2 on your 7 pin plug or 12 on a flat 12 pin.
I have a CTEK battery charger and hooked it up and just put it on "Supply" which gives 12 volts straight and in the morning it was charged.
Does this make sense.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:22
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:22
Hi Tina
In thread 76355 on caravan security Ian in reply 12 drew attention to a motion sensitive alarm made for bike security and selling from Hong Kong on eBay. In a suburban situation (which it seems you are), the loud audible noise may be enough to deter a would-be thief, and will alert you and your neighbours. Being motion sensitive (with the ability to adjust sensitivity) it would require someone trying to move you caravan before it is triggered.
Mh
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