Solar/battery system question

I have lived in a caravan on site for over 2 years now.In a caravan that was 240v only
2 months ago i bought a 3 y/o 23 foot Roadstar with some of my super so when my wife has recovered from her open heart surgery we can travel and work
Now to my prblem
when i bought the van it had a battery system in it with 2 x 110ah batteries
Before i picked it up i had 2 x 80w solars panels & a satelite tv system installed
Living on site i havent used the solar panels as yet
Yesterday i decided to turn off 240v and just run on the solar panels
Now as a sparky i make a great chef lol
on the battery readout panel in the van it was showing a discharge @ - 4.4 a but no charge
on the solar panel screen in the boot its showing a charge comming from the panels of 4.5 & 6.3
but its not showing going into the batteries as the total amps in the batteries & the % remains continues to drop
am i missing something that i havent turned off and or on ???
when i put it back on 240v it started to show a chage in again .this was after sundown
any help would be appreciated in plain english too please as ai said im only a grumpy old head chef
warren aka aussichef
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:02

Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:02
"on battery readout panel in van was showing discharge @ - 4.4 a but no charge"
So battery system is running 'something' on 12v.

"solar panel screen is showing charge comming from the panels of 4.5 & 6.3"
So they are working

"not showing going into the batteries"
So maybe the Solar Regulator is unattached ?
maybe is not not connected ?

"when i put it back on 240v it started to show a chage in again .this was after sundown"
So a battery charger - NOT the solar panels is charging the batteries, we all know solar panels only work in daylight, not after sundown :)

More information is required as to what is working and where the measurements are taken from

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - aussichef (SA) - Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:15

Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:15
all lights run on 12v i also have some 12v points in the van so i was running the tv satelite decoder box & 12v dvd player. So thats where the 4.4 a discharge was comming from the 4.4 a is from a screen inside the van that showes volsts,amp chard discharge & ah remaining & % remaining
The amps in is comming from a solar regulator in the boot of the van
i turned the 240v back on just on sundown as the panels wouldnt work then anyway & the battery dischage just kept draining the batteries
tell me if u want more info & what
thanks in advance warren
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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 15:42

Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 15:42
When you turned on your solar system did you remember to turn OFF your electric hot water system?? Do you have an inverter you have to turn on??
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Follow Up By: Member - aussichef (SA) - Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 21:52

Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 21:52
hot water system is gas only
wires go straight to the batteries from the solar regulator
warren aka aussichef
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Reply By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 08:58

Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 08:58
Hello Warren,

I cannot say much about the regulator etc. but one needs to look at the "energy budget" with relation to the charging system.

Guessing what electrical loads you have (DVD, lights etc) you can easily work out the total Ampere-Hours (Ah). If the lights take 0.5A for 6h then thats 3Ah then the DVD( & screen) may take say 2.5 amps for 5 hours or 12.5Ah. Now these two units use in total 15.5Ah per day. Now if we include a small Waeco type refrigerator this can use about 50Ah in the day we have for these 3 appliances 65Ah per day.

Now the charging system must deliver 65Ah + 10% or 72Ah. How this delivers this energy is up to the charge system. An 80A alternator will deliver the energy in just under one hour whereas an 80W solar panel may take 14hours in bright sunshine to replace the charge.

Not replacing the charge will run the batteries down very quickly.

Jeremy
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 09:22

Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 09:22
Quick Addition:

The energy budget is now something like this:

The 3 appliances themselves use 864 Watt-hours in the day.

Solar cells (80W) replace about 50 Watt-hours in the day

As you can see there is a huge deficit here if solar cells were the only charging source.

Suggestion:

Christie Engineering make amazingly good 12V chargers - small petrol driven ones.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 09:47

Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 09:47
Jeremy,
The way a Solar panel works is charge a battery that is close to full, because you drove to where you will be camping anyway, the battery will be fully charged when you arrive at the camp site.
Then the solar takes over when you stop, the panel puts out about 5 Amps (80 watt) if required by the battery, at the same time the fridge is using about 6 Amps, running on a 50% duty cycle so when it stops the panel makes up the 1 Amp lost from the battery till the fridge restarts again.
So at the end of the day the battery is close to fully charged and able to run the fridge and lights etc all night, then it starts again to recharge the battery again next morning.

If it's in a cool climate the fridge won’t be using so much power anyway and the solar system won't have any hassles if it has been correctly specified for the accessories you have.

This photo shows a Steca regulator LCD screen with a charge/discharge Ammeter and battery voltage gauge underneath, showing the fridge is drawing ~8 Amps and battery is still 13.1 Volts
When the fridge stops, as it does every 20 mins, the entire 4.9 Amps will again charge the 13.1v battery system back up to the 13.8v trickle charge rate.

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Follow Up By: Member - aussichef (SA) - Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:59

Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:59
dvd/radio, tv and satelite box all run on 12v
fridge is a 3 way auto demetic one so runs on gas when stopped
the whole van was already set up for 12v use i just had the solar panels added
warren
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Reply By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 18:51

Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 18:51
OK, sounds pretty good to me.

Jeremy

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