Beware of keyless cars

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:40
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Had a toyota Presara(upmarket Auirion) at work today with a flat battery. Went to grab the booster but the boss had taken it home, so with some reluctance grabbed the jumper leads and the young bloke come over to give me a hand.
I handed him the keys and he throws them in the console as you do with these things.
Get the cables hooked up the alarm goes off and the blxxdy thing locks itself, great as the spares are most likely in Melbourne.
Went across the road to the car dealer to see if he had any ideas, rolls around the floor laughing and says I think you in the manure, thanks mate.
Anyway we got a new battery, and called NRMA to open it , which he did eventually with a lot of trouble. I am not going to say here how he managed to open it but if anyone wants to mm me I will fill them in. Suffice to say the normal way did not work.
Anyway theirs a bit of a lesson here with the new Prados also having the same stupid system.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Fiona & Paul - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:44

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:44
Madfisher

Should that happen again and you know where the second set of keys are call them on your mobile and get them to press the unlock button with the your modile held next to the door lock.

Bingo the vehicle unlocks.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:53

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:53
Thats good info Paul, but as it was a corparate car god only would know where the spares would be lol. Usually takes a week to track them down. Their was a corp car left up the Mount last year after the races, just sitting out in the middle of a paddock, they had lost the keys. A week later some keys turn up and we where able to pick it up, lucky no one decided to use it as a bonfire.
Yes Wilko is from Parkes, plus their are a heap in the Penrith area.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:59

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 20:59
Doesn't work Paul....try it for yourself and see :)

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp

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Follow Up By: Member - Traveller (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:22

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:22
Ah, Andrew, what would we do without snopes?!

It comes in handy so many times, debunking some of the more nonsensical emails that float around in the ether.

A valuable resource!

Rod.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:27

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:27
yeah, a mobile might be able to "retransmit" a sound through its speaker, but retransmitting an infrared or other coded frequency?

I don't think so.

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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:40

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:40
Yes, that's about as logical as refusing to talk to someone on the phone coz they might have the flu and pass it on!!
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 22:46

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 22:46
Oh dear
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Follow Up By: Fiona & Paul - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 23:22

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 23:22
Well guys Snopes is 'wrong', maybe it may not work with certain types of keyless systems, but, when I first heard of this I too was skeptical - tried it out on both the Commodore and the Subaru and it worked both times.

Have also done it while 100+km away from home.

Certainly I would not have suggested that otherwise, actually I was surprised I didn't get a negative response from Madfisher - we will get together and compare notes. Mike DID's response is a bit worrying, maybe he can read something into this.

As for logic and the transmission of codes it's all relevant and logical, I'm certainly not qualified to provide a technical answer, but it does work.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 06:47

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 06:47
I'm sorry F&P, but logic tells us it doesn't work with modern systems.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned my response (though i'm sure someone else would have), and for that i am sorry :) I'll let it be for now, no good arguing over simple theories. ;0

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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:08

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:08
I can see a great way to win some bets here.

1. "Accidentally" lock your keys in the car.
2. Tell everyone you know a great way to fix it
3. Ring up your wife and ask her to press the remote near the phone
4. Hold the phone beside the car
5. "click" - the doors unlock and pick up the keys off the seat with a great flourish (distracting the applauding crowd from your other hand, where you pressed the spare remote)
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Follow Up By: Secret Mens Business - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 08:16

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 08:16
Comeon guys this one needs a follow up test? Now Paul you can make yourself the man here and do a nice little video of this working and post it on Youtube.

Oops, they are already here. This team says no way it can't be done..! Some people believe it though which I find very funny..!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12joSKf2fas



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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 08:32

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 08:32
For the record (and I can only speak of Holdens and Toyotas), it used to work when the transmitters and cars were on a fixed frequency. Since the introduction of rolling codes, it no longer works.

For Holden this was at VR Commodore. For Toyota it was at the time of the SDV10 (wide body) Camry.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 09:23

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 09:23
Hi Fab

Phones can only convey audio information , so no matter how you cut it , unless when you can press the button on a remote and hear a sound then there is no way it can send a signal to operate the car..
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 11:06

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 11:06
Spot on Robin, I was wondering when you might pop in on this one.?

See the Youtube link above and see for yourself guys, they tested hundreds of cars with hundreds of different mobiles, they tested everything.

No it cannot be done.!

I like the bit in the video where it says some people just want to believe it..!
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Follow Up By: Fiona & Paul - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 11:27

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 11:27
Well there is a lot of egg on my kisser right now people - million apologies.

Of course the bloody thing worked when I tried it (3-4 years ago) as soon as I saw the stuff on the net, because the vehicles were parked in the street in front of our place and the bride was inside.

Sure it worked again when I did it because the Subie was in range, now I know why Madfisher wasn't biting and I feel like a real goose. Does not explain how I did it when I was down the mountains and got the bride to 'send' the signal by mobile.

Naturally I won't bother trying again because I can see how how the originator ot the theory got good response as the majority would do the same as I did.

Thanks for your patience guys and state of origin is just around the corner, thanks for the YouTube stuff Secret Mens Business.

Now I have this idea about solar panels!

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:44

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:44
Paul I believe it is always a good idea to keep an open mind, and for us as the car was in the yard it was easier to get the NMRA, but you created the best post for ages, livened things up a bit lol.
Have a good day mate
Pete
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:55

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:55
Thanks Paul for your humour and for your sense of fun..! Have a great day..
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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 17:40

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 17:40
Ummm will it work on the girlfriends Chastity Belt.....get locked out without key all the bloody time....
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Reply By: mechpete - Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:26

Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 at 21:26
thats why you never go anywhere in a late model car without a spare key .
and don,t put it in the glove box or somewhere stupid .
under the front bumper or similar an in a plastic bag .
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:12

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:12
Phones are only capable of sending sound - and within a narrow range.

All car remotes work by sending a radio signal with complex coding.

Have you ever heard of a car being unlocked by ANYTHING other than the remote ?

Sure, remotes can be blocked by nearby radio transmitters, but blocking of receivers by strong off-frequency signals is a well recognised phenomenom.
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Reply By: lightfoot - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 10:19

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 10:19
Mate,

The upmarket Aurion keys have a removable key hidden in the remote. Just push the button on the side of the remote and it will slide out.

If you could pm me the details of how the NRMA bloke got in that would be great.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:47

Friday, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:47
Sorry Adam you need to be a member for me to mm you. Knew about the hidden key, thats how we got into the car when the battery was flat, just did not expect it to lock it self again when it got power.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Ken S - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 15:14

Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 15:14
Pete , knew a girl that the same thing happened to , she was in tears when along came a soldier in uniform and asked her why she was crying , after he was told the problem he told her not to worry and took off his pants rolled them up and rubbed them over the door and Bingo the door opened , incredulous the girl asked how that worked and he told her " easy their my khaki's !
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