24 volt solar panels and 12 volt batteries. A way to step them down?
Submitted: Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 00:05
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TentEnKaMan
Hi all =)
Looking to aquire some solar panels to help keep my 3x 120 Ah AGM's charged up. Hiowever im finding that most of the larger wattage pnaels are 24 volt. Obviously 24 volt doesnt work too
well with 3x Batteries as you cant evenly step them up into 24 volt. Id prefer not to have to
fork out for a 4th battery as weight and price are an issue, particularly as ive just forked out for the other 3.
So my question is.. Is there a way to step down the 24 volt panels to 12 volt at 2x the Amps? I mean if it was AC it would be easily done thru a transformer but is there a simple way to achieve this via DC?
Sorry for the n00bish question but Im a solar virgin at this stage =) lol
Thanks to anyone who can enlighten me on this, Im getting the feeling Ive forgotten something very simple from my days of studying electronics ;)
Also being a solar virgin, please feel free to throw any other wordly solar advice or experience you may have at me. Thanks again =)
Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 01:35
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 01:35
TentEnKaMan
Is it a stupid question to ask; 'why use 24v and not 12v solar panels' ??
Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:01
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:01
You should be able to get "12v" panels, but if not, almost all MPPT type controllers will take in 12 - 96V plus panels and convert it to the 12v battery charging voltage. They are more efficient too.
They are available from about $80 from solar steve and ebay to $lots with 60 - 80 amp capacity.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:18
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:18
If you already have three batteries and a 24V panel then here's a suggestion:
Charge two to give 24V then use a 24V to 12V converter (very efficient) to get 12V use this as a general load or if you are running an inverter then a 24V inverter will be the way to go!
Now charge the last 12V battery from the 12V output via a charge transfer device (eg. Ranox charger). Use this third battery to run something like the fridge only or perhaps lights.
Jeremy
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:41
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:41
Then add the number you first thought of............ !
Gee you can really make things complicated Jeremy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 22:02
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 22:02
LoL.
Hi Alan.
Gee Whiz - first thing that came to mind - hey I'm learning about some of the new fangled things you guys talk about.
Jeremy
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeremy W (SA) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 07:46
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 07:46
Just remembered a couple of quotes:
Life was not meant to be easy.
Malcolm Fraser
But my dear I could have done the same thing in a much more complicated way.
Queen of Hearts to Alice
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Reply By: Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:26
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:26
Hi Tent ( or should that be Mr Enkaman?),
As Boobook indictaed, the device you're looking for is a Maximum Power Point Tracking controller (MPPT). These controllers take the panel input current at the voltage that gives the maximum total power (volts x amps) and electronically converts it to the correct voltage for battery charging (or powering a
bore pump etc.)
For a nominal 12V panel the MPP is at about 17 or 18 volts, for a nominal 24V panel it will be 34-36V. So an MPPT controller able to accept at least 48V input and provide a nominal 12V battery charging output will do the job admirably.
Any of the specialist solar equipment suppliers should have a few to choose from.
Ian
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:56
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:56
Hi Tent
I am not sure what wattage panels you are looking for, but suitable panels are readily available up tp 120 watts
They usually have an open circuit volts of around 21volts & are the correct ones for charging 12v systems
Peter
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Reply By: TentEnKaMan - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 17:41
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 17:41
Hi thanks to everyone for the advice =D It is very much appreciated.
Miainey, the reason I was looking at 24volt panels is because they seem to be whats available more on ebay at large wattages and reasonable prices.
I already have a 12v 1000w pure sine wave inverter so this is yet another reason i didnt want to step up to 24v as replacing this with another pure sine wave inverter would be a costly exercise im sure and the $$$ are running low after spending a thousand on 3 new AGM'S after my old ones died. Now the gennie has died too so Im not really able to afford to pony up for a new inverter atm
The MPPT controller (or whatever it was, i dont have your replies in front of me atm, as i didnt post this as a follow up...) sounds like it may be what i need. Thanks for the suggestion and to everyone who has helped.
I think someone asked what panels i was looking at so ill answer that now too.. They were 2 x 185 watt panels but in the 24v format.
Sorry if ive missed anything if i have ill try to add a follow up. I have to brief coz my gennie has also blown up and have to wait a weekish for new honda one coming. So I can only scratch my batts atm as my 650 watt backup gennie wont even come close to bulk charging on my 50A charger..... lol... had a good run I have....
Thanks again all and all advice is still welcome please. Partic from people who have experience or knowledge of a guide to installing them on a caravan roof =D
TentEnKaMan is a little Tutenkaman joke to the person who asked what to call me. Im not fussed just grateful for your advice
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 19:37
Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 19:37
Check my profile
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