Spare wheels
Submitted: Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 13:54
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vwtrev
My wife and I are taking off soon for the great outdoors. We have a Subie Forester towing a A LINER a van.
We intend to go over the OOnadatta and
Birdsville Tracks.
My question/// Do I need two spares each for the tug and van.
All replies greatly appreciated.
We are newbies to this kind of thing.
Trevor
Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:04
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:04
Hi Trevor
Any possibility of matching the tug and trailer
wheels? We always change ours to match so we can take up to four spares all the same. Then again, more often than not tyre plugs will get you out of trouble.
I have not been far on the tracks you are planning, so cannot answer your question specifically, however during the past two year we have travelled over 30,000 kilometres, much of it on inland roads such as the Tanami and Great Central with remarkably few tyre problems. Eight
wheels and one blow out pretty
well covers it.
Motherhen
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder (SA) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:35
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:35
Just adding a bit to Motherhen's remarks. First, I'd use tyres that are less than 5 years old. Second, and even more vital, I'd say that softish tyres (say 25psi) and modest speed (less than 80) will have a big impact on the risk of tyre blow-outs. We once met a couple towing a van, near Victoria Downs. They had lost 7 tyres between
Marree and Victoria Downs. That may be extreme, but it says something!! Driving without a trailer, I had two bursts and a couple of punctures before I learned to reduce tyre pressures on gibber and similar rock-based road surfaces.
Having said that, half the time, the roads you mention are like a billiard table!!
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Follow Up By: blue one - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 18:33
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 18:33
Yep how easy is it.
Drop tyre pressure and slow down.
Simple
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:36
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:36
G'day Trevor, I agree with wise Motherhen. If you can match
wheels you are up
to your third puncture before things get serious & you need to make repairs. You
would be a little unlucky if none are repairable with a plug kit at that point. You
will obviously need a compressor & would be advised to carry one anyway. If
space permits another spare would be extra insurance but not essential I feel.
Good tyres at correct pressure, & , more importantly...moderate speed, will mean
tyre problems are generally minimised. Enjoy the trip.......oldbaz.
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Reply By: Chipsy - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 15:11
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 15:11
a long while ago now we shredded two tires on the
oodnadatta track, one on the road to dalhousie and one further down, having only one spare was the worst feeling ever when that second tire blew.
an increadably nice person leant us his spare to get us a couple of hundred kms further to where we picked up a spare but that was just the kindness of stragers and good luck.
lesson learnt that day and we never travelled without two spares again. having the tires matched to the trailer is a fantastic idea, maybe a cost to set up but the flexiblity of it is priceless.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 20:01
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 20:01
We got our first lesson in tyre pressures in 1999 on the
Oodnadatta Track also, we blew a brand new tyre apart, pressures too high and speed too fast and only running H/T tyres!!! Yes it is an awful feeling with no other spare.. We took the better road to Coober Peedy when we got to
William creek instead of going further North, risking more tyres... We learnt fast,,,,,,,,,, Michael
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 15:34
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 15:34
I am not sure what tyres you have on the Subi and your van but in my humble opinion LT rated tyres fitted before going will reduce the likelyhood of punctures/blowouts. While I am in no way saying not to carry extra tyres I would much rather have suitable rubber before a trip than hoping you have enough spares out on the track.
Also as has been said lower pressures and reduced speed will give you a much better chance to avoid tyre damage.
Cheers
Pop
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Reply By: Wilko - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 17:00
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 17:00
Hi Trev,
I destroyed 2 tyres on the
oodnadatta track many years ago but that was due to my own stupidity.
Use good tyres, reduce pressures and lower speeds and ou should be alright.
Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By:- Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 18:42
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 18:42
Spot on Wilko.
Did the
Birdsville track two years ago with conventional caravans.
Tyres on one tug were worn pretty far down and Very heavily loaded.
Had a puncture (plug) in each back tyre, till B'ville.
TOO MUCH air @ 45psi. Dropped to 35psi then through to
Windorah-no probs.
Don't think we got over 75kmh on the dirt, slower on the gibber.
Bob
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 22:41
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 22:41
Take the advice of those above who have trashed a few tyres on these tracks. Not all gravel roads are equal - in SA the gravel is a lot coarser - the rocks are bigger and sharp from being broken by the graders.
So yes, with your setup, you need two spares for each, or maybe 3 between the two if they had the same tyres.
Problem with these tracks is that you'll either get a star fracture on the tread which will not seal easily with a simple plug - usually needs at least a mushroom plug or big patch from the inside. The other common occurrance is that you don't realise your trailer has a flat and you trash it before you get to stop.
When you do the trip, do as blue one suggests above - reduce your pressures and slow down. I've travelled these tracks in an old Subaru years ago with road tyres, low pressures and no punctures. I've also travelled them many years ago in a Corolla with high pressures and 3 punctures in a day. And since then have probably done 15 trips in big 4wds with low pressures no punctures.
Enjoy your trip - nice country.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 23:09
Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 23:09
hi how come long haul drivers ,ie semis who travel the bedth @with of the county .donet stop @lower tyre presure ever time tey come acros some gravel.please explain.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 13:01
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 13:01
Say that again in English please.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 13:45
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 13:45
Twintrail,
Different tyres, different loads, different vehicles, and who'd want to pump up 36 tyres?
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:57
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:57
Twintrail,
There were fuel tankers and mining trucks around Innaminka in 2008 that had "on the move" deflation/infation setup so tyre pressure was adjustable automatically from within the cab depending upon the road surface.
A very interesting concept.
Regards,
Scrubby
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Reply By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:57
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:57
They are formed gravel roads. At reasonable speeds, with tyres in good condition and paying attention you can likely drive them with no issues. However,the track conditions do change and there are some very sharp bits of rock. I have pulled into the
Pink Roadhouse with both rear tyres going down thanks to some road repairs containing some very sharp bits of quatz. Each tyre had a 4 - 5mm chip of quatz inside the tyre. Both could have been plugged if required. We carry two spares for the vehicle. I always feel a bit uneasy with one spare after the first puncture! I would get some plugs for emergencies though they won't help if you shred the tyre. There is a fair amout of traffic on those roads. So how many tyres is a risk issue. It depends on how risk adverse you are. Personally we have two spares and a carcase. They are splits I can change the tubes or repir them easily. We dont tow anything so can't really help you there, but using the same
wheels sounds like a sensible idea.
Steve
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 14:01
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 14:01
Trevor,
Adam Plate's mudmaps (from the
Oodnadatta Roadhouse) are a good read when you're travelling the
Oodnadatta Track.
His tyre pressure one is
Here.
All the rest are
HERE.
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Follow Up By: vwtrev - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:34
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:34
I have 4 new all terrain tyres for the Subie and 3 LT Tyres for my camper.
The camper weighs 800 kgs loaded.
So I have two new spares for the tug and two new spares for the van.
All tyres are new.
The van pressures currently are 40psi.
The Subie is runnig 40 rear and 35 front.
What pressure do I let the tyres down to on both vehicles?
Trevor//
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:44
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:44
Trevor,
You are wise in using new tyres - the full tread depth gives protection.
They are quite high pressures for the Subaru.
On the
Oodnadatta and
Birdsville tracks I'd suggest 22psi front and 25 psi rear on the subaru and about 24psi on the camper. See how that goes.
Keep the speed below 75kph.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:47
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:47
Trev,
I run the same pressure in both the vehicle and the c/van.
Black top @ 40psi
Gravel @ 30psi
Sand @ 20psi
Sometimes it may be necessary to adjust up or down a bit depending on the condition of the various surfaces.
Regards,
Scrubby
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:51
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 19:51
Well, I am aware that not everyone follows the Coopers dogma, but they say that only LT rating tyres should be let down to low pressures.
On that basis, Phils' advice may be a bit on the low side, depending on whether or not the Forester tyres are LT rated.
That said, I'd still be tempted to run the trailer at 26, and the Forester at 24 to 26.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 20:19
Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 20:19
Gday Chris,
I've never followed Coopers dogma :-))) Plugged a lot of their tyres though!
Theres a lot of variables and a few psi each way won't matter.
The issue with the trailer is not only the tyres, but damage to
the springs. I've made the assumption that Trevor's camper has leaf springs - sure fire way to break them is to run too high pressures over these tracks, and he's got 800kg on a pair of LT tyres, so it can take low pressures. Out of interest, Adam Plate would tell him to run 20psi on the trailer.
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Follow Up By: vwtrev - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:41
Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:41
Thanks for all your info I am going to run the tyres in the mid twenties on both van and Subie.
Trevor
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