Toyota Nissan Defender ?

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 09:55
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In the market for a second hand four wheel drive for touring- diesel (turbo hopefully to help with towing camper trailer), manual, limited budget... Originally wanted standard 100 series cruiser, but also like Defenders, and found Patrols significantly cheaper than Toyota. Hearing lots about 3.0L patrols (know 3 people who have had motors replaced at huge expense). Thoughts on the 2.8L Patrol ? Also hearing that you need to be careful about Standard cruisers sold up north as they may be from the beach, mines etc...I like the robust, basic nature of Defender, but my reading of 4x4 mags over the years has not given me great confidence in this vehicle.
So much to consider !! Any sound advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Steve.
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Reply By: jschacher1 - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:45

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:45
you can never go wrong with the Prado,..never heard any negative comments about it. Always take into consideration the many,many Prado's you see out in the bush; there must be some value in it.
Good luck
JS
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:23

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:23
I saw the title of this post and thought that Toyota and Nissan were getting together to build the Defender! lol

What is your budget? Where do you live?
Personally I think unless it's a 4.2 diesel Patrol then they are buckets of poop.

The Defenders are good vehicles for touring but they aren't very refined. The seats are terrible, the floors get hot under your feet and the hand brake will dig a groove into the calf of the driver. If you are willing to put up with that the dual cab Defender would have to be the ultimate tourer. The wagon has good boot space too.

Standard Cruiser are generally bought new to be used, as are Troopys. You may be lucky and find a good one that's had an easy life being driven by a grey nomad or government agency etc. Have you looked at a later model 80 series Cruiser? Some of the late 1990's still have plenty of life left in them.

Prado's are good but are not in the same size category as the others.
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Reply By: disco driver - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:47

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:47
Steve,
There must be a reason for the Army to use Landrover Defenders almost exclusively.

It is not, as some would say, that they get them cheaper or that Toyota or Nissan can supply a 'so called' equivalent vehicle.

Toyota and Nissan can undercut Landrover prices significantly, based on tender prices I have seen quoted in my previous work.

Perhaps it is because the Landrover does exactly what they need in a 4wd.

Disco
(who freely admits that he is a Landroverphile)
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 14:10

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 14:10
Disco
Maybe they were bought by the same guy who bought the Collins Class submarines for the Navy. :)

teege
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 18:04

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 18:04
Teege,
Naah, they were bought by the man who decided that Toyota's weren't worth buying, long before the Collins Class sub was even on the drawing boards.

Disco
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 18:51

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 18:51
I think you may find this contract may not be continued into the future......... Mercedes???

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:30

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:30
Do we use Landies because they are British and only 1 generation ago we were at war with Japan?
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 22:09

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 22:09
Sorry Barnesy,
Your last statement does you no credit.

Disco.

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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 22:36

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 22:36
Disco,
I'm sorry that you were offended by my honesty and truthfulness.

Why don't we buy our military hardware from Russia? Why does it all come from Britain or the US?

Do you have an answer for that?
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 00:50

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 00:50
Barnsey
Yes I do have an answer.

You may not like it though.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 01:05

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 01:05
Please tell me your answer Disco. I'm interested in the cause of your offence to my post.

The fact is Britain and the US are our military allies and if we were at war with any other country we could trust Britain or the US to supply hardware to us.

In case you are going to accuse me of racism or something else, let me remind you that I don't order military hardware and I do drive a Japanese vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:21

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:21
Barnsey,

Defence has hundreds of Japanese vehicles (eg Hilux and Landcruiser). In fact, the security detachment in Baghdad is currently using armoured Landcruisers.

Graeme
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 14:29

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 14:29
I have never seen Australian defence force personnel driving a Landcruiser. If I am wrong and our Iraqi services do, do we use Toyota's in Afghanistan also?
Or is it only in wars where Japan are involved and loan us the vehicles?
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:55

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:55
Barnesy,
I won't bother answering any more on this hijacked (by you) topic.

End of story.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 23:09

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 23:09
Disco you bloody wobbly. You threw accusations around, say I'm not doing myself any credit, I took that as a slur and you don't even have the guts to explain what I did that offended you so much.

You don't even have to look me in the eye, just type on a keyboard!!
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 23:38

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 23:38
OK Barnesy,
Just for you.
Your followup No4 intimates that the only reason the forces buy Landrover is because, as you say, only one generation ago we were at war with Japan.

If that's what you think, I'm sorry for you.

The forces research their purchases to ensure that the frontline men and women have the best available.

END OF STORY.
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Reply By: The Landy - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 19:33

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 19:33
Stop reading 4WD Mags......and go the 'Fender' !

Good luck with your choice........

Cheers
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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:58

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:58
The best 80 series in tourer the world (including the fridge!!) is advertised for $15000 in the trader section - quite possible under my name.............

Drew
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Reply By: putrol - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 13:13

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 13:13
FOR ME ITS
PATROL
DEFENDER
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CRUISER
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