Cooper or Pirelli tyres?

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 21:30
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Hi All,

I have read this review on tyres. (http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/tips_tyres.php)
Pirelli Scorpion come out top, Cooper 2nd. However the review on the Cooper tyres are the sure track ST-C. I am more interested in getting feed back on their ATR. How does that stand up against the Scorpion?
There seems to be a lack of Scorpions in Australia right now so may have to get the Coopers. The Coopers also give a 50K warranty.

Cheers
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Reply By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:21

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:21
We still have two atrs on swmbo Nullarbor, the other two I had to replace after a twig went threw the tread of one. Very average tyre in my opinion. Bridgestone 694s which I have on my Jack are a much better tyre, on wet tar,especially.
And they are cheaper.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: JohnnyTasman - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:49

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:49
what do you recommend
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:23

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:23
When I replaced Swmbo atrs I tried Bridgestone 693 . A few weeks later Sal had to do anb emergency stop in the rain when another car never gave way. The 693 pulled up with ins to spare, if she still had the coopers would have ploughed straight into the side of the other car . But I would recommend the 694s al so the yokos are a good tyre.I would even prefer Kumhos to coopers .
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:32

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:32
Forget the Cooper Warrenty for a start. It's a Crock.......... If they don't reach 50k you are tied into buying another set of the same brand tyres for a 'Prorata' fee that failed to work for you the first time. If there is any damage to the tyre they always blame you "You bought the wrong type. You should have got STT's not ATR's" Then for the warrenty to be valid you also need to excessively rotate & balance them at frequent intervals.
My previous posts on the brand will explain my dislike of them .You couldn't give me a set :-)
Cheers Craig..........
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:33

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:33
50K...i must have got a set made on a wednesday....77K and at least another 10 in them......if i dont change em before the end of the financial year
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:36

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:36
I got less then 30k with my Cooper ST's
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:38

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:38
they are not run flat tyres like on a bmw
your supposed to put air in em...i used nitrogen, cos i got it at a good price
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:46

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:46
I ran them at 36 all round and they wore to the ground,

Coopers are supposed to do 80k, but mostly - it is no bloody way,

Would I again buy Cooper? not even if you drove up my pooper,

The purpose of the rhyme is to buy Coopers is a crime

:-)

Cheers tony
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Reply By: Member - Garry G (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:43

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 22:43
Johnny, You will find everyone has a favorite 4 x 4 tyre. Many of the problems people complain about in particular tyres are due to their ignorance not in tyre construction. Its a waste of time buying AT tyre if your going north on rocky roads. No matter what brand they won't take it over extended periods. Yet people still put them on and complain about them. Tyres chip and people blame the tyres when they should blame themselves. ie wrong tyre selection too much pressure, too much speed in offroad situations etc. I am a tyre retailer and we sell what ever the customer wants. Both the brands you have mentioned are at the premium end of the market so will serve you well. Cooper make and AT road construction tyre as well as a Light Truck construction AT in some sizes so if you go that way enquire.
Happy travelling
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 06:51

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 06:51
Well said Garry,

Andrew
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Follow Up By: JohnnyTasman - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:50

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:50
Thanks for the post. SO if you were faced with 90% tarmac and 10% sand gravel what would you buy?
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Follow Up By: Member - Garry G (WA) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:40

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:40
Johnny, I would probably lean towards the Cooper as they are quieter than any other AT tyre
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Reply By: Kanga1 - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 23:01

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 23:01
Hi Johnny, I had Pirelli Scorpion 265/75 R 16 in their All Terrain tread on my Patrol about 4 years ago, very impressed 3 hard trips through the Pilbara, drove up Mt Meharry. One trip to the Kimberley, GRR, Munja track about 50,000kms before replacing them, in all that and some pretty nasty country not one puncture, very impressed. Our friends had brand new 694AT Bridgestones punctured 2 on the Gibb, both holed through the very long, longditudinal tread grooves. Our Troopy had ST-C Coopers 265/75 R16 on it when I got it, the rear left delaminated nearly half its tread doing a few hundred dollars worth of panel damage in its stride, out near Big Bell this time last year. Didn't go down though. They were noisy, and lumps of tread come off them causing them to be continually reballanced. I got rid of them when I got home replaced all 6 with BFG All Terrains, I couldn't get Pirelli at the time and have used BFG previously and was happy with them. Personally, I wouldn't give you tuppence for Cooper Tyres. Cheers, Kanga.
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Follow Up By: ajd - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:42

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:42
I agree, I wouldn't use Coopers for a tree swing.

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Reply By: Injected - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:04

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:04
Johnny
Im currently running the ATR's in light truck construction on my Navara D40 265/75 R16. Had chipping probs when went to the cape but that was too much speed and towing trailer. Biggest complaint with the ATR is that they dont stop in the rain. I have taken tyres back to dealer 3 times to get them to see what they can do about grip. They say to drop pressures but that creates other dramas.
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Follow Up By: JohnnyTasman - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:13

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:13
We live in TAsmania so rain is a point!
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:37

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:37
a wet weather tyre needs to pump the water from under it...at's or off road tyres aint going to do that...only tarmac tyres to that with any degree of effectiveness,
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Follow Up By: Injected - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:47

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:47
ALL tyres have to pump water!!! how effective they are is the million dollar question. Racing slicks excluded. Bridgestone 694's do an alright job of it.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 20:36

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 20:36
Yes the bridgestone 694 and 693 are both very good in the wet, tried stomping on the brakes iun wet conditions on a quite road and was very impressed.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: broome time - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:57

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 08:57
i would not tough coopers in the kimberly.would not give two bob for them.had big problems seperating in the heat here.would go bfg or pirelli.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:08

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:08
I replaced a set of Coopers on my Hilux with Pirelli's ATR Scorpion and was amazed at the difference. The Pirelli's are light years ahead, in the wet on the bitumen the Coopers were dangerous, the Pirelli's hang on so well the contrast blows me away. On gravel and dirt they are also better. The misconception a lot of people have is that Pirelli's are way dearer, I picked up my 265 x 17's for $300 fitted each which was cheaper than the Coopers.

Don't buy the Coopers even if you have to wait..!
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Reply By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:29

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:29
Can recommend Bridgestone 693 in light truck if you can still get them or 694's
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:25

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:25
Think that report is about 3 to 4 years old.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:56

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:56
on that report...i noted they were rating the tyres for sand by citing "belly out" of the sidewalls...

I thought we reduced tyre pressure to lengthen the foot size....

we dont want stakes going thru the weakest point, do we?...so why want tyres which belly out?

Gee At 20psi it must have been hard sand...over at gleesons (york Peninsula) i had to drop the pressure to 12-14....20 was absolutely useless on the coopers....and then still very little "belly out"

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Reply By:- Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:09

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:09
check the small print on coopers warranty there is none if you use on gravel roads or travel outside cities i think there is no warranty on stt tyres
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