Towing Capacities

I apologise to one & all if this is going over old ground but I did a search & unable to find a thread on the topic of towing capacity. As I understand it the towing capacity of your 4WD or non 4WD comes down to the basic specifications. The rule of 10% of the towed object doesn't apply. Vehicles that are rated by the manufacturer at 3 tonne or 3.5 tonne towing capacity is basically smoke & mirrors what should be asked by the purchaser is "What is the manufactures specifications for tow ball weight?" When the answer is 180KG!! One should ask why then, is the vehicle advertised by the manufacturer at a legal towing rate of three tonne but the tow ball weight allowed is 180kg a lot less than the 10% rule!!! I think some vehicles like the Patrol are rated by Nissan to tow 3.5 tonne. What is the tow ball weight is it 250KG? I believe the motoring public maybe misinformed by vehicle manufacturers. It is awfully hard when trying to purchase a vehicle & the dealers don't know what it's all about,they just go on what is printed in the specs from the manufacturer. Find tow ball weight on a brochure? It is not until you purchase the vehicle & start reading the owners handbook that this subject is covered....too late she cried. I think there might be people out there that have a van & towing a heavy van illegally & what happens when disaster strikes? If an insurance assessor is half switched on he/she will look at the vehicles capabilities & the specs on the van & we could be in trouble especially when manufacturers of Vans are sometimes understating the actual weight of their product!! It would be horrendous if someone did have a prang (Vehicle $70,000 & Van 60,000 total $130,000) & find out you have exceeded the manufacturers specifications & you are therefore not covered on your policy!!!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:15

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:15
It's easy to get confused especially if you speak to some Caravan dealers however this should help:

RTA should know, or so I thought, so I went here
RTA Towing

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/2005_10_towingtrailers.pdf

and the only bit that referred to towing weight was this:

The loaded mass of the trailer must not exceed the lesser of:
Rated capacity of the towbar and tow coupling.
Maximum towing capacity of the vehicle.
Maximum carrying capacity of the trailer.
Maximum rated carrying capacity of the tyres.
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Reply By: gbdid - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:41

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:41
I suppose this is something to do with the Pajero towing weights.
Seems very straight forward to me.
It's in their brochure.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/pages/home.aspx#/pages/vehicles/pajero/specifications.aspx?id=3702
Maximum towing capacity is 3000Kg, but at that weight towball weight must be no more than 180kg.
Up to 2500Kg towed capacity towball downweight may be up to 250Kg.
Beyond 2500Kg towball weight not to be over 180Kg.

ps. the link will have to be copied to work.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:48

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 13:48
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 14:40

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 14:40
It's all clear now. I can tow a van weighing 2500kg with a down weight on the tow ball of 250KG. But I am only allowed 180kg on the tow ball. when the van weight is 2550KG!!! WTF. A WDH MUST be used & MMAL also state that rules governing towing depend on each state or territory statutory rules So does the WDH actually distribute the weight from the tow ball over the rear axle?. How can we measure the actual weight over the tow ball?
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 17:36

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 17:36
The simplest way to check the actual tow ball weight is to go to a registered weighbridge. Drive on weigh the combined units, move the tow vehicle just clear of the bridge,disconnect (use jockey wheel) this will give you the three weights CVM, TBW, Van weight Before going you would need to decide what weights you need for the tow vehicle & van -fully loaded or tare. Last time I weighed mine 2 1/2 years ago cost $15.00 . The weighridges normally have an accuracy of plus or minus 20kg.
Hope this helps Mike
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:55

Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:55
"So does the WDH actually distribute the weight from the tow ball over the rear axle?"

Without WDH the load on your tug acts well behind the rear wheels. The effect of this is like you pushing on the end of a lever. In this case the fulcrum is the rear axle. When you hitch the van you push down on the end of the lever. This causes the front of the tug to rise and the weight on the front axle is less than without the van. The weight on your rear axle is the weight of the van plus the weight removed from the front axle. This can lead to overloading the rear axle if you do not recognise this and make allowance for it. (If you have a Nissan you will find the calculations for this in your vehicle handbook. Other manufacturers let you work it out for yourself.)

When you use a WDH, the bars lift the rear of the tug and impose a lot of the ball weight onto the front wheels. When you have the bars tensioned correctly you should have approximately equal weights imposed on both axles.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 13:07

Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 13:07
Sorry but the ball weight is always the ball weight.

The action of a WDH does distribute some weight forward from the rear axle but the weight on the ball is always constant.

The WDH straightens out the kink imposed by the weight of the van but how can it lessen what is pushing it down. Only a jack or a jockey wheel can do that.
If anything it will increase pressure between the ball and the coupling by the action of its tightening and straightening the two together.

In brief a WDH does NOT lessen ball weight in any shape or form.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:50

Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:50
The 10% rule for ball weight is an Australian generalisation only and not a strict rule as many European vans have a much lower percentage ball weight. EG. Adria vans . I know one that is 1400 kg Tare with a ball weight of 75kg. And the person who tows it says that it handles extremely well, better than his previous van a Jayco of the same weight but with a 140kg ball weight.
Having said this I am a believer in the 10% recommendation also.
I too would also like to see manufacturers made to tare their vans at curb weight IE. gas bottles ,roll out awnings , mattresses, and interior fittings all fitted, with only ones belongings water and food to be added later.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Reply By: youngharry52 - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 13:08

Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 13:08
Something a lot of folks miss is the GCM of a vehicle, ie. the gross combined mass of the vehicle and its trailer/caravan. An example here is the 100 series landcruiser. Tare 2560kg, GVM 3260 Towing capacity 3500kg GCM 6500kg. We weighed ours with 2 people (170kg) alloy bar, spotties, 3rd battery, cargo barrier. it was 2940kg. If our van comes in at 3500kg, the GVM is reduced to 3000kg (6500kg - 3500kg). That leaves 60kg for the towball weight !! As you can see, it's not possible, so the stated towing capacity of the manufacturer is a rubbery figure........

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 13:18

Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 13:18
The actual weights for my 2005 TD 100ser are

Tare weight 2477kg Kerb weight 2588kg

GVM including any ball weight 3260kg

GCVM is 6680kg

Auto TD has a payload of 672kg including ball weight

So it can tow 3420kg if loaded to maximum and still be legal

Dont know where you got your figures from but mine are factory figures.


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Follow Up By: youngharry52 - Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 18:55

Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 18:55
Hi Graham,

My figures came from a local Toyota dealers original Toyota brochure. It was definitely 6500Kg GCVM. Even so, based on your figures, we only would have had 320Kg available for ball weight, and gear.......

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 21:10

Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 21:10
The sad fact of the matter is that by the time you fill up, 140kg, add ball

weight which with a 3500kg van would need to be 350kg and add you and

mum, say 150kg you already have 640 out of the allowable 672kg

If you have an extra spare 42kg you are already illegal and you havent got any gear in it yet

If you want to tow a van of that weight you really need a F250 which can

tow 4000kg at least with a better payload as well.


There must be an awful lot of illegal rigs out there by the look of some of them.

I was parked beside a perfect example at Jurien Bay last year 100 ser loaded up Tinny on roof with a fold up trailer Bullbar etc.

Large off road van with a huge full toobox on A frame.
I asked him how heavy it was 3.7t he said it was last time I weighed it

Well I ask you.

Another example was at Kalgoorlie a 24ft Jayco with slide out, he said it had a household washing machine in it. No WDH the breaksafe was wound through the hitch handle so couldnt work. He had a D shackle too light for a box trailer with BOTH chains attched to that.

This hooked on the back of a PRADO

Makes you wonder what they use for brains


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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:01

Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:01
In Reply 2. the subject of towing dynamics was raised. I have added a FollowUp to it. However for a really good expose of the subject see the article "Rig Dynamics" by Collyn Rivers in the June issue of Caravan World.

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Reply By: OREJAP - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:40

Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:40
Thanks to everyone for their views. Much appreciated.
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