off Road Caravan
Submitted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 13:33
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Member - Ralph C (NSW)
Is anyone able to help with the for's and against of a Pop top off road Van, are there any major benefits or major problems when the going gets rough.
We are looking for a strong van dual axel with independent
suspension no longer than 18ft and unsure whether to go for a full height van or pop top.
Reply By: bjgard - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 14:10
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 14:10
Ralph,
the first obvious thing is a pop top is lower and this means that you can get through a few (and very few)
places that you cannot get a full van through. If you are in the top end of Aus then the better air circulation that a pop top provided is also a benefit as is single beds.
Weights of the FV an PT are around the same. Both will leak dust if you have gas appliances ( due to air vents required by law).
Many true "off road" vans are no longer than 17 ft and single axle and this makes them easier to travel if you have tight turns to negotiate.
Beware there are many vans sold as "off road with independent suspension" and they are not true independent
suspension. I think a new quality van with you basic specs could cost around $70k plus.
When the going gets rough you have to drive according.
If you already have a tug then you are restricted to the capabilities of the tug. Look at the recognized off road vans.. Phoenix, Kedron, Bushtracker, Trakmaster and Sunland all make excellent "off road" and "dirt road" vans.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:32
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:32
Very very little dust enters the poptop van if you fit a 25mm x 25mm 12v fan to the inside of the fridge air vent so that it forces air from inside to outside, mask off the rest of the vent with duct tape on the inside.
Control this fan from a independent switch and only turn it on when in dusty conditions, also have the positive pressure vent on the roof open.
Works perfectly for me.
Scrubby
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:36
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 15:36
Ooops , fan size should read 125mm x 125mm.
Sorry,
Scrubby
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Reply By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 14:24
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 14:24
G'day Ralph
I can't say anything positive or negative about full size ~ full height
Off Road Caravans as I have never owned one. But I can say that I have been able to take my pop top off road caravan further up the beaten track than a full height off road van.
The biggest draw back for the full height van was the closed in treed sections of the track.
Our particular caravan is not overly small either, but with it being a pop up roof type, it's profile is more suited to heading deeper into the bush wiith due care and consideration.
I have seen a "Full size" off road van owner finding it difficult to park up in a relativeley shady site in the
Dales Gorge camping area ~
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I guess if there is a draw back with a pop up roof van, it has to be the few minutes it takes to "Pop" the roof up.Image Could Not Be Found
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 22:04
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 22:04
Joe,
I don't talk much, but do look at a few van forums.
As much as people, whom I know personally knock Jayco's , Coromals etc.for their "offroad vans", I personally have a Coromal XC the same as yours, and have had it over corrugated roads , off road (sensibly)etc. no problems.
Previouly we had a Jayco Hawk 2005 we took to hell and back!
Once again- no problems.
Drive sensibly with tyre pressure to suit conditions, you do not need to outlay the big dollars for a Bushtracker or Kedron. I would personally have a poptop any day.
Regards Nick
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Follow Up By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:34
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:34
Thanks Joe,
what you say is what I was thinking and besides there ain't no rush or work to get back to. The price tag on the some vans is a bit over the top. Don't want to empty the piggy bank before we leave
home.
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Reply By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:25
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:25
Thanks bjgard for the helpful feed back and to Scrubby (Vic).
Have you found that the pop top weakens the van at all
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 20:44
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 20:44
Ralph,
My van is a 2000 Supreme Getaway 16`x 6`6" it is the narrowest off-road van I could find that was a poptop. Because I do a fair bit of fishing along rivers a low and narrow van is a definite advantage getting into some out of the way
places.
As to the strength of a poptop v full van I can`t comment as the only full van I ever had was an old Millard for a short time about 35 years ago.
However I can definitely state that I would, and have, take/taken my Getaway any place that my L/cruiser would tow it.
I did over 17,000 km in 20 weeks last winter on some very rough roads and into some very rugged
places ( the wife was a tad upset a couple of times,read tears)and the only damage was a broken radio ariel .
I love it.
Scrubby
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:35
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:35
We have a Regal Desert series Off road van Pop Top and it has done the hard yards around Australia.
If the Pop Top is made properly there should be no problems at all.
Ours is now nearing ten years old and structurley still sound. It is a 16ft box with totally independent
suspension with shock absorbers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:25
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:25
Thank Dodger for the the info, will have a look at the Regal vans.
Good to see you towing with a good truck.
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Reply By: OREJAP - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:51
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 16:51
I was talking to a fellow 2 years ago who was involved in the manufacture of vans...he told me that his company was making 8 full vans to one P/T. He also said in their 18 foot full van range the P/T was 79 KG heavier due to the roof situation in the P/T. I can't help with
suspension questions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:38
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:38
Thanks Orejap,
The extra weight probably relates to added strength in the top
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:17
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:17
G'day Ralph,
I have a very similar van to Scrubby and like him,
mine has been to hell and back with no dramas. Usual undercarriage issues with busted water pipes and stone damage but nothing that will stop you from getting
home. I have seen plenty of "off-road" vans in out of the way
places and it seems to me that with a sensible driver most of these vans come
home without issue. If I were looking for another off-roader I would not
shell out the extra coin for the top dollar
well known brands as there is a heap of "cheaper" (better value in my opinion) brands that towed sensibly will get you to and from the same destinations as the more expensive brands.
No comment on the full size vans as I have no experience with them. My pop top is good at sealing dust out and I put that down to the air pressure vent on top of the van that Scrubby was describing. I have no fan on the fridge vent and still have very little dust enter the van when on dirt roads.
Would I reccomend a Supreme Getaway van? you betcha, but there is other makes that will also represent good value too. Just look hard at the
suspension as this does a lot of work in an offroader and will need to be of the highest quality to meet your needs. The underside of any van used off road will take an absolute hammering so make sure it is
well protected and not just with tin plate sheeting, I can show you photos of what happens to this when offroad if you want. I replaced
water tank guards on
mine with 2mm s/steel and have had no problems since. The steel
shell of the Supreme does a good job of taking the hits but adds a lot of weight so sand is a no no with my van which may not be to your liking??? or may actually suit better (as it does for me).
Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:24
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:24
PS: here is a couple of pics of one of our offroad journeys.
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Regards,
Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:46
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 17:46
Hi Trevor,
Thanks for the helpful info, will have a look at the Supreme vans.
Yes I would like a couple of photos of the
water tank before and after the modification.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 18:48
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 18:48
The following pics are of the standard issue
water tank guard after a trip out and down the
Birdsville Track back in 2007.
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I have none of the new guard but the new guard as said is 2mm s/steel and has done at least >5000km on dirt over the last couple of years and has held up
well with no signs of damage.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Ralph C (NSW) - Friday, May 21, 2010 at 09:10
Friday, May 21, 2010 at 09:10
Thanks Trevor, for the photos, I see what you mean about the underside taking a hammering.
Very helpful info as we like to travel of the black stuff.
Ralph
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