Driving light relay

Can anybody help and tell me which relay I should be using for my driving lights? 2 X 240 lightforce lights. Bit confused at the auto shop. Current one on my truck is a 5 pin Narva 30A, some are protected with a resistor, some with diode, some with fuse. The previous one I had was 40A something. Some advice would be great.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:32

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:32
I just use the normal relay. I was told to use a diode protected relay once on an 80 series cruiser and other than the hefty price tag it made no difference that I could tell. I have used the normal relay on other 80's with no detremental effect.
I have a normal relay in the D4D hilux as well and it works fine.

I always use a 30amp fuse in the wire from the battery and earth the lights to the bullbar as well as the relay to the vehicle body somewhere.

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Follow Up By: Muntoo - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:35

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:35
Deending of course on if you vehicle is positive or negative switched. I would have thought your Hilux would be negative switched so wouldnt need to earth relay to body?
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:40

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:40
Yeah it is negative switched I put a thread on here somewhere about 12mths ago when I wired them up (an auto sparky couldn't figure out how to do it)

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Reply By: Muntoo - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:33

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:33
Peter i come across the same thing the other day. All my previous light have been wired up with just the old normal 40A normally open relay. No resistor, no fuse, nothing. So i chose to just stick with what i know, but was meant to ask the exact same question here yesterday.

Perhaps someone could help us out with what the resistor/diode does. Also i do have one here with an inbuilt fuse too, but havent used it yet. I'd still be using an inline fuse with it though if i ever do use it.

Just go for another 5 pin if thats what you've got. And make it a 40A normally open relay.
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Follow Up By: dbish - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:42

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:42
Hi, The diode is only used on releys which are activated by transistors or mosfets as in computer controled stuff. its there to absorb back EMF from the coil in the relay so it doesnt damage the switching device. Not needed for normal swithing as in Spot lights etc. Dareyl
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 17:44

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 17:44
Just use a standard 4 or 5 pin type with out protection and you should be safe.

Years ago we use to only have to carry a handful of different relays...now we carry about 40 different ones!

Rule of thumb is a diode protected one is the go now days, make sure pin 85 is earth and 86 is positive..or you blow the diode.

We only fit diode protected ones in new installs.

You cannot fit a diode protected relay in place of a resistive relay and vice versa plus another thing to look out for when replacing relays is the coil resistance, replacing a micro relay with a standard miny relay can over load a curcuit and cause expensive damage.
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Follow Up By: Muntoo - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:18

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:18
So if i was to upgrade the headlight wiring on my BT50, would i need t use relays with resistors or can i just use the normal relays? Reason being is i have already bought the normal ones, but i dont wanna stuff up anything.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:56

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:56
You should be pretty safe, relays, solenoids and coils give of EMF when de-energising the coil, basically the energy stored has to go somewhere and the best place is to earth.

Resistive Relays are better to a certain extent as they are non polarity device, just the same a a normal no protected relay but the will have a larger loading across the coil then a non protected or diode protected one.

In non protected relays EMF will be measurable but in most cases you have the battery to absorb the energy.

Most spike/surge protected relays are switched from direct out puts from the ECU or BCM, ECU's and BCM's will still survive being use with non protected relays as all ECU's and BCM's have their own spike/surge protection.

BUT.....the ECU, BCM inbuilt spike/surge protection may work 5000 times and them the 5001 time the spike/surge will get through causing expensive damage....bear in mind this is the same for protected relays....you hope their protection will last for ever but you just don't know.

We use diode protected relays in all the stuff we do...just in case + dealing in new vehicle we don't want to get caught out, the price difference is about $5.00 a relay.

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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:12

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:12
I use the normal 4 pin Narva relay - with an in-line fuse holder before it. 1 relay per spotlight (I have 3 for the 3 lightforce 240's) and 1 power wire coming in per fuse from the battery. Makes it easy to identify any problems on the road. (have used this setup on my 80, and now 100 series cruisers.)
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