Troopy Brakes

Submitted: Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 06:18
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Hi All, Recently bought a 2004 Troopy am overall very happy with it but the brakes are not flash . . . have spent over a grand on them and they still suck.
Machined rotors all new pads and new master cyl. When I put my foot on the pedal without motor running not a bad pedal but start the motor and the pedal will almost go to the floor. . . like putting your foot in a bucket of porridge. Have been assured by Mechanic no air in system all bled . . .took it to Tojo dealer and service guy said not bad but they struggle to stop it . . . they don't feel right. Any thoughts or recommend good brake people south of river perth
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:28

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:28
Troopies have never had really flash brakes especially when loaded.
All of mine when doing the brake test for rego had to be put in 4wd to get the meter to register enough G's without locking the back wheels.
I gather the pedal pumps up ok on thesecond application after starting the engine?
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Reply By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:45

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:45
Hi
Had the same deal with a 2004 model, bought mine new. Have just bled brakes and put in new fluid, replaced front rotors with slotted dba ones. machined rear disks and replaced all pads with QFM 4x4 pads, brakes are still average but are about the best they have ever been.

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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:10

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:10
As has been said Toyota never seemed to bother about getting the braking right in the Troopy. Our earlier model has the same issues but I have managed to get the brakes such that they can just make the legal requirements here in NSW.

The fact that your brake pedal goes a long way down and feels spongy just does not sound right. Assuming that the bleeding was done in the right order at the wheels then there is one area that is left and often forgotten.

There is a brake proportioning valve at the rear which works by a lever system. If air has been allowed into the system then this valve also needs to be bled if the air does not flush through when the other rear wheels are done. Also has your rear suspension been lifted? If so then the valve system needs to be adjusted otherwise the brake balance F/R will be wrong. I have just been through this and I did regain some lost braking. Not magic but worthwhile.

The following is a link to an article on LCOOL for an 80 series. I think it will be much the same as I don't think they have changed much.
LCOOL brake valve article

Brakes on the Troopy and the awful rear LSD are 2 things that Toyota just have never bothered to get right over several decades.

good luck.
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:17

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:17
Definately check the proporting valve as been suggested.

When I bought my 1986 dual cab years ago had the same issue. I replaced all the flexible lines - it helped a bit.

Best thing I did was to have a stainless steel sleeve fitted into the master cylinder. Made the brakes come up real tight.

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Reply By: get outmore - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:40

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:40
Im going the proportioning valve myself as well

When I got my 80 I did as much work to the brakes as you did and the brakes really sucked

After nearly having an accident I checked things out and noticed rust forming on the rear rotors, obvioslythey wernt working at all

a new rear proportioning valve and the difference was incredible

if its seen a fair bit of mud they get rusted up
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Reply By: Member - Driverdon - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:46

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:46
Well thanks for the depressing news . . . . .I.ve had FJ 40, & Hiluxes And all had great stopping power it surprises me that Toyota can get Troopies approved with brakes like that. I will bleed the aportioning valve . . .thanks for the input Guys
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:04

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:04
mate - their not that bad working properly

like I said I ended up replacing my rear valve

80s supposedly have crap brakes too but it went from downright dangerous to being the best braking vehicle I have owned

just take a look at your rear rotors - itwill be easy to see if the brakes are working (nice and shiny)

other thing to do is take it down a loose dirt road and wack on the brakes hard about 40kph if the rear brakes arnt doing there job the front will lock up very easily and it will justslide forwards pushing the locked up font wheels
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Follow Up By: Member - Driverdon - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:33

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:33
Like I said I've just spent a Grand having them all done up Rotors machined, New pads and master cyl. . .but it does feel like air I'll check load valve bleed. Every other vehicle I've had you could lock up with a heavy foot but not this one.
Oh! and standard suspension at this stage.
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Follow Up By: Member - Driverdon - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:23

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:23
Hoo Bloody Ray. . . I bled the load apportioning valve and there appears to be lots of pedal pressure. . . now for a road test
Will be making an irate call to mechanic if all goes well
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Follow Up By: Member - Driverdon - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:43

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:43
ps thanks to all for the advice . . . .if they work!!! . . . otherwise I'll come back whining again
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Follow Up By: Member - Driverdon - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:07

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:07
ps thanks to all for the advice . . . .if they work!!! . . . otherwise I'll come back whining again
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Reply By: Rockape - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:36

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:36
Mate,
I gotta agree with get outmore when he says they are not to bad if working properly.

I have just right now come back from the Transport Department where they put my old 89 Troopy through the hoops. The reason the old dear had to be checked is another story.

She has drums on the back and came through with flying colours. They sure put the old girl through her paces, full check of the whole vehicle.

Hope it's just an adjustment of the proportioning valve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:53

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:53
Couple of points from my experience for what it may be worth. If you are running bigger diameter tyres then that can require increased braking effort. Secondly, after mine was lifted 2" the installers did not make an adjustment to the rear proportioning valve so too much of the braking effort was at the front. Some adjustment did improve things. At best they are average brakes, best allow a bit of extra gap in traffic and more so when towing through built up areas. If wet, say a prayer before take-off cos there's nothing like 3 tonne slewing down the road out of control on a set of skinnies. If all else fails I suggest you prepare to jump!! LOL Cheers for now
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