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Hey all new to the forum and need some advise. I'm after a 4wd that can seat 5(2 adults 3 kids) and still be reasonable on fuel for around the 4k mark. I do 700km a week so dont want anything thats gona cost me heaps in fuel. I'm not brand specific just want something that will get me to work and back and take the family bush on the weekends. This will be my work car not the daily we have a commy for that.

Diesels and 4cyl seem to be my best option but most are old and not sure on the economy of older diesels. So anything from suzuki vitara's to 60 series cruisers will do. Not after an extreme 4wd more a tourer.

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There just a few of the cars i've come across that could suit what i need. If i can get something that will cost me between $100-$120 a week in fuel i'll be happy.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Reply By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:19

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:19
Hey mate

Out of the vehicles you have there my choice would be the 60 series cruiser. They are very hard to kill. They are reasonably comfortable and have a good amount of space and 4x4 ability. You just need to make sure the gearbox is ok other wise its 4k for a reco. I have owned a couple of these a petrol, (very thirsty) and a diesel the same as the one you are looking at. They are a big vehicle so the economy will not be brilliant (about 13L per 100k for the diesel). Also they are a little sluggish up big hills when towing, but this is outweighed by their ability in the bush. Heaps of parts available for them also.

I have also owned Prado's, 80 series TD's, 100series and various others and the 60 remains one of my favourites.

Regards


Jason
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Follow Up By: Member - William H (WA) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:26

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:26
You can get a gearbox for a 60 series, for $1500:00 dollars fully reconditiond from Sydney, also keep to 80 to 85 klms per hour and the fuel will be ok for you.
Cheers for now...Williamh...Bunbury...WA.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 17:27

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 17:27
Cheers Williamh

I had mine fully rebuilt with new gears and shafts and it was $3900 from Bullet transmissions. I think for $1500 you would be getting new bearings and seals only, you certainly wouldn't be getting new gears as the gear kit was more than that alone.

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Jason
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Follow Up By: Member - William H (WA) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 18:15

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 18:15
The five speed gearbox is reconditiond by a retired Toyota mechanic,he has all the tools and still get's the parts from his company which is run by his son now,I have one of his boxes in my toyota and all parts are new, and when i picked up the box i was given all my old parts to take with me,i have shopped all over Australia for parts and when i find a place that dont rip people "OFF", i stay with them,I never get any work done in Bunbury, as they have the attude, you will pay for it what ever they say is the price,over here in WA,people wont pay "$3,900:00. dollars to fix a gearbox,when the 60 series go for $2000, to $5000:00. dollars,i have a box here i got for $400:00 from the wreckers, that's all they go for over here....part's are cheap, and the 60series are a good model.

Cheers for now...Williamh...Bunbury...WA.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 18:33

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 18:33
Glad to hear you have a good mechanic and have sorted out a good deal. My comments only relate to my experience and the gears and main/lay shaft were over $1500 for my 60 from Toyota at trade price.

Regardless they are a good vehicle and my point is that if Troy only wants to spend 4k on a 4wd a 60 series is a good choice provided the gear box is OK, as I am sure he doesn't want to fork out more $$$ on costly repairs if he can avoid it.


Cheers

Jason
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 03:44

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 03:44
normally you wouldnt need to replace the gears anyway. They only need replacing if
1/ catastrophic failure
2/ you continue driving it with collapsed bearings.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 13:09

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 13:09
If you are gunna do it, and have it apart, do it once and do it properly, why take a chance with 30 year old parts.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 17:27

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 17:27
The reason why you wouldnt just replace everything (have you priced a brand new gearbox?) is that a part such as a gear that has done 300000km and doesnt show any wear is more likely to be last another 300000 than a new item which may have a manufacturing fault such as poor case hardening.

Barring failure from over straining or no lube, your gearbox (or engine etc) is more likely to fail in the first couple of thousand k's from new or after reco than at any other time in its life.

Its easy to inspect and measure a gear or shaft when its apart and determine its condition..
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 17:41

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 17:41
You do it your way buddy, a part that is "more likely" to last another 200000k, might be fine for you, but when I went to the expense of having the box removed, and the bearings etc done I also did the gears at the same time. It may cost a few extra bucks but at the end of the day if I am relying on it in the middle on no where I would rather have piece of mind. Why would new Toyota parts have poor case hardening???


I would be more concerned with 30 year old parts that had done 600000K.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 18:55

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 18:55
"Why would new Toyota parts have poor case hardening??? "

just an example, but cos many of these parts are now made in China.

No need to get stroppy, but being a marine engineer, there is a "cost" (not talking financial) to stripping and reassembling machinery. A big part is that it is far more likely to fail during its initial service than at any other time.

And going on that thinking, why do you recondition your box? The case and shafts etc are just as likely to fail as any other part so why not a factory assembled new item?
Gearbox reconditioners dont (I can assure you) x-ray your case for defects and your case is more likely to get a crack in it from being stripped and reassembled than from everyday use.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:35

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:35
I guess you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. The shafts were also replaced in my box along with the gears. Some parts were damaged others replaced for peace of mind.

Not gettin stroppy mate I promise.


Regards

Jason
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:44

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:44
Hey Fisho64

Can you have a look at my post 2 below this one on the Mc Hitch trailer coupling and give me your opinion on these from an engineering point of veiw. I have a Trak Shak on order due to be ready in a few weeks and was considering putting one of these on it.


Regards

Jason
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 20:30

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 20:30
whats the subject line? my comp is setup for "response time" so probably isnt in the same spot in the list as yours?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010 at 17:40

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010 at 17:40
Subject line is "McHitch trailer coupling anyone???"


Regards

Jason
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:37

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:37
Gday,
Id be going with the 60 series.........
Bullet proof old buses.

Cheers
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Reply By: VNSS355 - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:45

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 16:45
What size tanks do the 60 series have. Will it do 700kms a week for round $100-$120.
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Follow Up By: briancc - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 19:50

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 19:50
Standard is 90 litres on the diesel. Mine had an aftermaket 190. Great for when there are special deals on fuel!!
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:23

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:23
You will be burning roughly 91l per week with the 60 , whats diesel about $1.30 by 91=$118.30.
2.8 rodeos are a good thing and will do 10/100 all day, but that is a lot of ks, I would be checking to see when the injectors where last replaced,and insist on a compression check.
The SWB Paj would be a great buy if it has a reconditioned motor, otherwise it would be close to its use by date.
The 2.5 td Mitz are ok, but would need new heads if not already done.
Dont forget with diesels what you save on fuel you will spend on servicing.
The 3.2 v6 Jacks are very long lived and slighty more economical then the 3lt pajs being 24 valve and higher gearing.
Do be honest if you can not find $10000 for a 4wd you are better off going for a commodore or Falcon. $4000 will only be the down payment, diesel fuel pumps are arround $2000 for older models, plus $200 ea for injectors.
Depends on how much work you can do your self I guess.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:58

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:58
I already have a commodore as the family car. I mainly want a second car to get me to work and back every week and would like it to be a 4wd so i can take the family bush. I'm not after anything special so will consider anything in my price range. Toyota surfs, suzuki vitara's. Not after an off road warrior just something to go 4wding and camping in.
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Reply By: Member - pilbara60 (WA) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:16

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 20:16
have a 60 myself, best money spent. might be getting on in years ,460thou on the clock but still bullet proof. not as fast as the new toys but mine is set up for long range touring so not after speed. just an honest plodder
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Reply By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 21:46

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 21:46
the 2.5 diesel pajero are very good on fuel. the 3.0 pterol are not so good .would be half the fuel of an old 60 series
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 21:56

Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 at 21:56
Ahhh, but the cruiser will still be going in another 20 years....
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:26

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:26
the diesel pajero's are out of my price range and all the 60 series i have found so far have 400000 plus k's. Theres a few duel fuel 4.2ltr and 3.0ltr patrols but not sure on the economy.
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 20:37

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 20:37
my son has a4.2 patrol on gas and it is very good on fuel. dont know about the 3.0
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Reply By: Vernp - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:03

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:03
I have a Nissan Pathfinder and this has been a goood vehicle would recomend.
I have the manual and I get <10 lts per 100k @100kph. Comfortable to drive and a capable off road vehicle.
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:24

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:24
What year model is your pathfinder and is it diesel or petty. Dont mind the look of them but dont know much bout them either. What the aftermarket like?

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Follow Up By: Vernp - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 15:16

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 15:16
Mine is a 2005 Diesel. They are a very sort after vehicle ( in Adelaide ) and they are holding their price realy well. more power than the 3ltr Patrol.
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Reply By: John and Lynne - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:16

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:16
We have a 2006 Pathfinder R51 _ diesel automatic. We get good fuel economy - between 8 and 10 litres per 100ks touring, when not towing. It has been VERY reliable and not cost a cent beyond routine servicing which has not been particularly expensive so far. Its best feature when we are at home is that we can have three rows of seats so the back row is ideal for agile grandkids and we can seat 7. Otherwise two rows of seats can lie flat and we have a ute sized space for carting gear. People we talk to also find earlier models reiable. Probably outside your price range at this time though but worth checking. John
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Reply By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:29

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:29
Anyone know what the mh tritions are like as i found a 2.5td dual cab in my price range.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:58

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 14:58
If your price range is still only around $4K, anything you find will be either old or tired or both.
As others have said, a 60 series, or a Nissan MQ is probably your best option, they can get very high mileage and still be fairly reliable and reasonably economical for a big rig, provided that they have been correctly and regularly serviced.
Any 4cyl diesel in your price bracket will be well worn and probably near the end of it's useful life.
Anything late-ish and cheap may have something seriously wrong with it (ie; been flooded, smashed and repaired or even an underground mine vehicle exposed to heavy salt.

Having said all that, keep looking because there are some good ones out there, you just have to be patient. (My run around vehicle is a 1981 Landrover trayback with a genuine logbook serviced 65K on the speedo.It took me close to a year to find it.)

Disco.
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Reply By: Member - Ozzie Nomad (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 15:08

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 15:08
Hi Jason,
You should be able to buy a decent late 90's diesel Landrover Discovery for about four grand. You'll get 8-10 Ltrs/100klms all day long, you won't ever wear it out. Parts are cheap nowdays, and they are good for at least 7-800,000klms before you may need to rebuild anything.

Try carsales.com and the like. Go drive one, they are a lot more truck than an old 60 Tojo or a Nissan of some sort.

Happy hunting.
Cheers,
Ozzie
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:22

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:22
Yes i thought bout them but i've read alot about them having realiability problems which turned me of.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozzie Nomad (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 17:39

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 17:39
Talk to somebody that owns one and uses it the way it was designed to be used. Most of the stories you hear are myths shared amungst owners of other stuff.
They are an aquired taste perhaps, but with four grand you'll buy a much nicer disco than a jap truck. Stay away from a petrol V8 though. They sound nice, but you will go broke feeding it, and an old one may be a time bomb.

The TDI Turbo Diesel is a bullet proof engine, but you MUST change the timing belt every 80k or so or they can go bang. If you look after it they last for ever and are cheap to service, but perhaps like anything else, abuse it and fail to maintain it, and like most things, it will die a painfull death.

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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 17:52

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 17:52
Yes there are a few nice ones that are turbo diesel. Prob going to be a much more comfortable 700km a week in one as well. I service all my cars every 5000k's so what ever car i get will be well maintained.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 15:29

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 15:29
heh heh ... added a bit rough V8 disco to the stable recently ....

on gas ....

$500 .......

To quote a line from the Slim Dusty song ..... "So we'll see how we go with it mate." ..... LOL

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Reply By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:33

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:33
Something like this? http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/Small-Medium-Family-Prestige-Cars/AdNumber=TP003581451?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:34

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:34
http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/Small-Medium-Family-Prestige-Cars/AdNumber=TP003581451?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:36

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:36
wont let the link load up but its a 93 disvovery, 2.5td manual, 12 months rego and 316000k's
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 20:55

Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 at 20:55
Use the "Insert Link" button at the bottom of your edit box rather than copy and paste ;)

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/Small-Medium-Family-Prestige-Cars/AdNumber=TP003581451

Get fancy if you wish: 1993 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY TDI (4X4)

Hope that helps.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:22

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:22
Yes but that car is 10 hrs away from me. Will be down in sydney this weekend looking at whats on offer.
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:11

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:11
The only way to save fuel is to drive the Commodore to and from work, use the fourby on the weekends etc.
I switched from a Hilux to a small 4 door car and best thing I've ever done, it's more comfortable to drive and a hell of a lot cheaper fuel economy wise. Hubby has just brought a older Mitsubishi Lancer to drive to and from Perth instead of the Cruiser Ute, it will pay for itself really quickly with the fuel cost savings.

I'm not saying that you should discount a economic fourby though, but why leave the Commodore sitting there during the week!
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Follow Up By: HGMonaro - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:57

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:57
wife probably drives it.

however, the concept of a cheap to run 'work car' and a weekend/trip only 4x4 can add up. The fuel savings can easily cover the extra rego and insurance.
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:26

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 19:26
Yes my wife uses it to get to work and back and drop kids of at home school during the week.


however, the concept of a cheap to run 'work car' and a weekend/trip only 4x4 can add up. The fuel savings can easily cover the extra rego and insurance.

I dont quite get what you mean here?
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Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 20:11

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 20:11
Well just our set up, the HDJ79 Ute is worth a fair bit of money and cost a bundle to comprehensively insure, so in our case Hubby is now using a cheap sedan to drive to and from work saves on comprehensive insurance for the Cruiser as well as a lot in fuel, the car will pay for itself relatively quickly even with rego's and servicing taken into account (he's done the numbers trust me).
But we actually sold the Lux mainly because we needed to pay off other debt at the time, it still makes sense to drive a standard cheap car for me to get to and from work though.
So we've gone from two fourby's to two normal cars and a fourby that will sit in the shed apart from the weekends when I bundle all the bikes into it or when Hubby is home and doing rubbish runs etc. We're quite reluctant to sell it because it's sort of the dream "retirement vehicle".
But ideally "his" ute would be something else that we could use to all go camping with (two of us and two kids = no fit in ute!). Never mind as my car can tow a trailer to a lot of places bar 4x4 access only.

Yes I can see the point that a cheap fourby woudn't be that costly to insure etc so I guess you are on the right track. I just thought that you had the Commodoer for you, something else for the Wife and were looking to buy a 4x4 as well.
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Follow Up By: VNSS355 - Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 22:48

Monday, Jul 19, 2010 at 22:48
Yes i was talking bout the comment hg monaro made.

The wife drives the commodore during the week and i just need something to replace my tired old 1ltr charade and want it to go bush. The idea of keeping a 4WD for weekend duties and buying another small 4cyl car has crossed my mind but i am also building a commodore(vn ss) so that will take me 2 3 cars and i cant afford a 4th rego.
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Reply By: VNSS355 - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010 at 19:22

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010 at 19:22
hey all what are your thought on this for what i want. it is dual fuel so it mite meet my fuel needs.
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Reply By: VNSS355 - Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:19

Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:19
I got myself a 60 couple of weeks ago.. Spent all day in sydney looking to know avail so on the way home stopped in and looked at the one in the gong. Well walked away with it for 5K. Its mint as. Paint is original and looks near brand new. Runs like a dream came with original owners manual and logbooks. Aircon was serviced 2 days before chrissy. Interior is shmick as no stains or marks just one little tear in drivers seat were you get in and out. Got 4 secondhand tyres thrown in as well and there got that much tread left they still have the littlerubber that tab things on the tread you get with brand new tyres. Will know have to start a thread when i get some pictures. thanks for the help everyone

There she is

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