External hard drive

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Is it advisable to use an external hard drive when touring the desert? Will they handle all the vibrations? As the laptop does not have enough storage.

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David
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Reply By: WATTS2C - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 15:59

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 15:59
A good external hard drive should handle the vibrations just as well as your laptop.
Like all things computerish - don't let them get too hot.

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Follow Up By: Member - steve. B... (NSW) - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:12

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:12
Hi David.
I lost my hard drives while in Cape York. I replace it with a 500 G Solid State drive. A lot faster and no more hassle's. Steve.B...

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Follow Up By: Member - RockyOne - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:16

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:16
The Lacie™ 'Rugged' ext drives are pocket size and magic to use. Come in a soft rubber protective shroud. Look great too. I back all my Mac's on them. Suggest you always carry the external HDD on top of the lappie but with an elastic band holding the two together to increase the mass. Bear in mind that the HDD has already weathered a fair few bumps & grinds long before your supplier received it, and survived. Place the in the vehicle close to the centre area in respect to the front & rear axles to minimise jolts. Place the units on some forgiving materials like clothing, bedding or soft foam rubber and you will be ok to do a Dakar no worries. No doubt you will have aired down your rubber for corrugations. Enjoy the adventure.My Cape York raft building Wenlock River pix etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:46

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:46
It has nothing to do with padding the outside on ANY DRIVE that is the problem if its moving whilst working
Its the extremely small gap between the platter and the head which moves across it. Sometimes just a gentle bump can be eough to make the head hit the platter and its all over Rover.

What happens to it when its not working bears no relation to the above.
A drive when not working PARKS the head in such a way that it can absorb knocks without problems. It can therefore be transported just sitting on a shelf as mine does in the van. Has done 50,000k without damage but never turned on when moving.

Get the facts straight please.



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Follow Up By: Joe Grace Doomadgee - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:59

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:59
But not everyone is as "careful" as you "Grumpy Graham",......
:-)

A "pelican case" is a good investment, the one we have can fit the laptop in it and all sorts of other bits for it......
Yes it is lined with foam as well, i will check but i think that fact is right and may even be straight .... will check that :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 14:12

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 14:12
I was referring to RockyOnes comment about that they have been knocked about on delivery

As I said carrying them turned off doesn't matter its running them when moving that can cause the damage.
The head is a lot less than a hairsbreadth from the platter I have dropped one from an inch above a desk and stuffed it when it was working. Stupid I know but does happen.
Even in a Pelican case (expensive but good) if you dropped it with a drive running in it could damage it if you were unlucky

I'm not grumpy about it but some post incorrect or ill informed information that gets taken by the gullible as gospel.

Have pulled drives to bits and you can barely see between the two parts.

Incidentally the magnets in them make great pickup tool for bolts and screws
They are the strongest magnets for their size I have ever seen

Cheers I will go back to my cave LOL

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Reply By: vk1dx - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:18

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:18
I cannot agree with WATTS2C. An external drive is designed to just sit on a desk etc. Whereas the disk in a laptop does have a bit of shock resistance built into it.

But then again if the external had drive is all solid state without any moving parts, then it is quite okay to travel.

Any electronic equipment unless specifically ruggedised may have problems with vibrations.

Ours doesn't. Its back at home. Who on earth wants a PC when off 4WD. The in-dash GPS has the maps as well as paper copies in the glove box.

Just stirring. I know some people have withdrawal problems when in the bush. Me! I dont even take a mobile phone. Just a HF and UHF radio for emergency.

What about just an 8GB USB stick.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:57

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:57
I agree, it only takes a sudden bump to stuff a drive as there is only a few microns of a gap between the platter and the head.
Ive done it dropping one from an inch onto a desk.

Lappys are a bit mor resistant but a new solid statedrive would be best.

You can buy 32gig USB drives nowadays as well

I took a 1TB WD drive to back my photos up onto and just backed them up every few days and it sat in a cupboard in the van.

Was hidden so it kept my stuff if lappy got stolen or corrupted.

As long as the drive head is Parked (as in turned off) it wont hurt it with the motion of travelling.

Computers are used for more than communication. We had an HF and never used it so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:04

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:04
Mate, an external hard drive, normal one not solid state will do the job for you. We travelled with a camper trailer for 9 months over some of our roughest tracks. Just have a nice foam sleeve and slip it into it when not in use.

The pocket ones are designed to travel and would do the job nicely.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:05

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:05
I took a Verbatim Terabyte external hard drive in the caravan with us last year and it survived. I used it to back up photos (as well as other back ups to be sure), and to access other documents stored on it for reference.Well worth trying David, but don't use it as a sole source of document storage if these are vital, just in case something goes wrong.

What storage capacity do you need? I also carry a box of USB drives. They are tiny, easy to use, and require no external power source. They can be purchased up to 64 gb.

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Reply By: Member - David K (QLD) - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:15

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:15
The hard drive will be used for storage of our HD video's & large digital images, all large files.

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Reply By: teabags - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:40

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 17:40
Your non ssd hard drive is the same whether mounted inside a laptop or in a portable caddy. If hit hard enough the laptop will probably absorb some of the impact.
When hard drives are turned off the heads are "parked" in a safe position. In this state they can take quite severe punishment without any damage. Problems arise when the drive is in use and gets knocked. As the heads are not parked and will be moving over the platters, it doesn't take much of a hit for the heads to impact the platters. Dead drive.
So, carrying laptops or external drives while they are off should not be an issue even on the roughest 4wd tracks. You'll probably break your 4by first.
When they are turned on they need to b handled with a reasonable degree of care.
Being a belt and braces type person I backup photos etc to both an external hdd and also to a usb drive. Another option is also to backup to cd/dvd and post them to your home.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:50

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:50
Hi Alan - i do all of that with my photos! I copy every night to a USB drive. They must be on three different media before i format the camera card. CDs or DVDs get posted home about once a month. Box of USB drives comes into the car whilst other copies stay in caravan during travel.
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Reply By: Nutta - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:11

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:11
Most laptops have DVD burners in them these days, that could be an option, I think they hold around 5gig.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:13

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:13
We have used standard disk for a number of years however as I type this I am working on the laptop with new SSD (Solid State Drive) installed. They are a lot faster and a lot more shock resistant than standard drives. Over the years we have lost 3 and you can be sure when it goes it is always the wrong time. We lost one on the last trip the day after I backed up to a USB drive (phew). I used to just say go with the HDD but now seeing how fast and power efficient the SSD drives are I would certainly recommend you fork out the extrat money and go that way.

PS: For backup, archive and large storage when travelling we still will be using standard portable HDD drives but these willonly be plugged in and used when stopped. So the heads will not be moving as the car s travelling.

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Reply By: Ian & Sue - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:40

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 18:40
We use a MyPassport external drive 500gb to back up our photos - its been in the caravan cupboard for a long time along with the laptop which is on the bed when we travel. Both have done numerous dirt roads over the years and most recently have just returned from a trip up to the tip of Cape York. Both still working fine.
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Reply By: Member - bill j (VIC) - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 19:15

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 19:15
Hi i have one of these drives Buffalo shockproof bought it from Myer store 12mths
ago not sure if they still have them. bit more info

External hard drives are very convenient but if you travel a lot then there are high chances that you might drop it while catching the train and end up losing precious data. Buffalo Japan is out with the HD-PL200U2/UC external hard drive which holds a whopping 200 GB of data and is made from shock absorbent material. Thus saving you from heart problems in case you drop one. It is compatible with Mac and Windows systems and connects to the host via USB 2.0
.The Buffalo HD-PL200U2/UC hard drive measures 127×21×83mm and weighs 225 grams.


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Reply By: get outmore - Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 21:53

Friday, Jul 23, 2010 at 21:53
ext harddrives ae typical of cheap stuff made in china

you could get a great run out of one finding it almost industructable and the next guy will buy the same thing and it will fail at home with hardly any use

try and back up as much as possible if you can

the answer really is how longs a peice of string?

will it handle it? probabally - would I bet on it? nup
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 08:53

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 08:53
I had a 320GB hard drive for 9 months on some pretty bad roads and knocks. It eventually lost the plot ( he he ) near Dalhousie Springs. I anticipated it would happen one day and had a clone copy on standby in the glovebox, only lost my tracks. The copy one will go too one day.

SSD is the answer, I just had a spare drive hanging around and thought I will use that as a back up while SSD's come down. Will be getting one this month.

Any hard disk will be a matter of time before it crashes.

"It may not happen overnight, but it will happen".

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:48

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:48
I don't know whether it is fact or furphy - I have heard that the 2.5" disks used in notebook computers more robust than the 3.5" disks. Can anyone reliably confirm this or dispel an urban legend?

If the mobile disks are more robust then forget buying the biggest and go for a housing with a mobile disk and reasonable storage capacity.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:00

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:00
Yes they are but the same applies as I posted above to any drive with a moving write head.

Carry it turned off

Never use it in a moving vehicle to be safe.

In saying that one inside the laptop will be more forgiving but still possible to damage one.

A lot of the portables are actually laptop drives for that very reason Easy to tell by their actual size.

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Reply By: Member - David K (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:00

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:00
Thanks every one for the help.
I'm going to go with 2 x 500GB hard drives & back up to both, never to be used whilst moving.

Cheers
David
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Follow Up By: JohnMich - Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 16:30

Saturday, Jul 24, 2010 at 16:30
IMHO the only respondent who got it completely right is Motherhen who does what we do with our photos which are backed up onto -

1.DVD 2. External Hard drive 3. USB flash drive and 4. the data backup of the laptop's hard disk itself.

You are doing hard disk backups aren't you? I learnt about that the hard way - but lucky for me the digital camera I was using at the time was an old Sony and I still had the photos on the 3 1/2 " floppies.

Take a spare memory card for your camera and use that if one gets full. Never, ever delete pictures until all backups have been done.

Seems like overkill but Hey! its a lot better than losing the stuff - nothing can replace lost photos. And just to make the whole thing complete we a take flash drive loaded with the best shots to a dealer where we can get them printed for 10 cents each.

And for those who don't have an external hard drive right now next week starting Thursday 29 July Aldi are selling external hard drives for $79 - capacity 1TB (1000GB) usually disclaimers, no connection, yada,yada - but you can bet I'll be the first one in the queue at the local store.

We can't understand why anyone would be trying to do backups while moving anyway - that's when the camera should be out shooting more pics!

Hope we have saved at least one person's photos - the rant will have been worth it.

Regards, John and Michelle

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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 at 15:01

Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 at 15:01
Never while moving ?

I have a Fujitsu tablet with a 9" screen (not solid state HD) and it has been used running oziexplorer on dirt roads all over WA without a problem for three years.

I am buying a new Netbook at present and I was going to get a solid state hardrive. But the standard size hard disc is too small for my mapping needs and to upgrade to a bigger HD is too expensive. Also the solid state HDs make the computer very slow in comparison to the normal hard drives.

I am just getting a normal 320 GB hard disc and will continue to run it while driving on dirt roads - it is a navigation device after all and it's not much use turned off is it.

Willie.
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Reply By: kingswoodwagon - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:54

Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:54
ioSafe External Hard Drive

The ioSafe External Hard Drive has been designed to withstand temperatures of 800deg and submersible to 3m. It can also be bolted to the floor to annoy thieves.

If your looking for piece of mind - its built for just that. The price isnt a killer either 500GB for $300

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