2.2 diesel engine
Submitted: Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 16:51
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keviny6
Have a 2.2 ltre diesel engine which is in my small motor home ,, all up it has done original 175.000 ks over 27years (it was laid up for quite some time )
At 155.000 when I bought it I had the injectors serviced along with new glo plugs and she has run great , starts easy has power for the size of engine and is economical to boot , but still have the same trouble with oil use , hasn't got any worse so I just top up, it uses just over 2.2 litres of oil every 1000 ks sometimes a bit more.
It has no oil leaks anywhere –no smoke –but lately when starting she is throwing a lot of black oily fluid out of exhaust pipe , very noticeable lately, after running for awhile that ceases,
well at least you cant notice it so much .
My question is ----i had a ford once that had bad exhaust valve seals and blew smoke at start up then settled down , but was there again at next start . Knowing nothing about diesels have they valve seals and if so could this be the problem
am using shell helix oil was using valvoline but it drank that
Reply By: keviny6 - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 16:55
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 16:55
i should have mentioned its a toyota
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Reply By: Madfisher - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 18:25
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 18:25
Hi Kevin, sorry to be the bearer of bad news , but the 2.2 suffered from soft bores, and had a short engine life. They get so bad that they will start running on their own engine oil, and suffer disasterous results. Get a Diesel Machanic to look at it soon. The Good news is the following motor which I think was the 2l(2.4l) was a very good motor and should not be to hard to fit in its place. Now I am relying on memories from nearly thirty years ago. Had a mate who bored his out annd rebuilt it 15 years ago and it is still running to this day.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Pesty SA - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 18:51
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 18:51
Had 2.4 hilux, 84, was great, went
well, but later 2.4's had a different injector pump and didnt go quite as hard.
Pesty
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 21:27
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 21:27
The 2.4 motor that came to NZ in imported cars Hi Aces, Surfs and some Coasters had a nasty habit of breaking the front end off crankshafts. So my brother found out in his Surf. (4 Runner here)
The 2.2 was reckoned to be a gutless little brother.
My Hiace 2.4 auto went ok but blew the tranny shortly after I sold it.
Cheers.
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Reply By: ross - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 21:35
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 21:35
The normal way to diagniose oil consumption is to do a "dry and wet" compression test.
This involves doing a compression test,noting the figures and then restesting after a teaspoon of oil is added through the glow plug hole.
If the compression psi goes up,its the rings,if it doesnt change, its the valve guide seals.
Thats a very basic test,I imagine a fair mechanic would charge you an 1hr or so labour.
You need a compression guage suitable for the high psi found in diesels
Small diesels can do very high klms,but many owners dont have the patience with the slower speeds and drive them flat out all the time,which can wear them out prematurely.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 22:34
Thursday, Jul 29, 2010 at 22:34
I think you might be confused there, that test is for a burnt valve
seat.
Compression doesnt come anywhere near the valve stems/seals, only exhaust gases do.
If it gets past a burnt valve
seat it goes straight out the exhaust (or intake) not up the valve stem.
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Reply By: going fishen - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:29
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:29
Hi Kev, sorry to here about your misfortune, it"s not like a Toyota to give up at such low Ks it could be in the head that is unusual there weakest point, it could be in the seats or valve stems,& they are prone to cracks especially if they have been real hot, if it is any help I have a full recondition head for a 2L going real cheap if you need it, still have the receipt I live on the central coast. good luck.Charlie.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 14:17
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 14:17
2l was a great motor, but the L was a bit of a dud unfortunaltly. Very few made it to 200000ks. The 2ls went forever if
well serviced.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 06:19
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 06:19
Change the oil to one of the (cheap) thicker oils (from K'mart) recommended on the container to be used in "worn engines" and you will be amazed how it cures some of the problems associated with worn rings or bores.
I've a 600,000 kl, 2L diesel that now uses this thicker oil and I just top it up as needed now as it’s no longer such a big drinker of the expencive stuff.
Had auto trans that died, so replaced it with a BorgWarner overdrive unit, big difference in drivability.
Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Twinkles - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 08:39
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 08:39
I had one of those motors in my first Hilux. Rebuilt at 120,000km because was taking off on the sump oil. Same trouble at 180,000km. Apparently the oil around the rockers and valves was being sucked through the pipe into the air inlet manifold. Oil was probably vapour and when it sucked in the car took off. Had to stop by using brakes hard. Couldn't change down as screamed when clutch depressed. Not sure why it didn't do it regardless of rebuild. I took the breather hose off the inlet manifold and plugged that hole. Ran a new hose down side of motor to suspended bottle. This where breather hose used to go on cars before emission laws became stricter. Never any oil in the bottle. Problem solved. Obviously a suction occurred after warming up and dragged the oil vapour into the manifold. Blew a cloud of smoke.
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Reply By: keviny6 - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 08:39
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 08:39
its a bummer when you see oil splaterered on on the ground when started -then stop after a few minutes with engne running perfectly
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Follow Up By: Honky - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:43
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:43
Wouldn't it just be
water mixed with soot?
Honky
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 20:22
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 20:22
i also think a 3L will fit(2.8ltr) which is a far better motor than a 2L and more commonly available. hiaces and hiluxes ran them from about 88 to late 97 when they changed to a 5L(3.0ltr)
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Reply By: keviny6 - Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 21:19
Friday, Jul 30, 2010 at 21:19
took it to mechanic today ----the motor is kaput ---- he reckons piston is gone and allowing oil up into
bore -- said the 2.2 needed oil changing every 5000 ks and most owners work on 10 ----could be previous owner never serviced it properly or thrashed it and that could have been the reason for long lay up .
until i get another motor or vehicle will keep on adding oil
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Saturday, Jul 31, 2010 at 15:29
Saturday, Jul 31, 2010 at 15:29
Every diesel should be done at 5k not just the 2L, Leaving until 10k especially on these older motors will definately kill them alot quicker. Oil & filter every 5k and you will be set.............
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