camping and snakes
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Cruzin&Campin
Like to spend our Christmas holidays in the Buckland valley doing nothing but enjoying the river. try to get two weeks, however last trip got asked to move by a 1.5m alpine copper head, who made a beeline under our camper. Tried to deter his route with a few little stones dropping in his path, and finally a jack handle close to his nose about 50mm from the camper, he got the hint and so did we. He turned around. We left. His
home not ours. With 3 noisy kids, and a large dog, I thought they would stay away. No mess left around. Maybe set up too close to an uncleared area. Any ideas, suggestions?
Reply By: CJ - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:38
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:38
I echo your concern.
Similar story - we were
well set up earlier the afternoon on a sandy stretch with no grass. Fire going, kids making a racket, etc. In the evening (last light) the missus was taking her shower. A snake came straight for her (not aggressive, but determined) and after putting a shovel in his path he turned, went under the car, reached up and attempted to get higher into the undercarriage.
We always hear "snakes are afraid of you" "snakes will move away" and "leave them alone they will leave you alone"
Maybe there are more exceptions than what we would like to hear?
CJ
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:56
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:56
Whilst I am not a snake expert I have witnessed a Copperhead stroll through
our camp down to the river & back towards the
camp & seemed to be investigating the noise....they are cannibals and will eat other snakes. Snakes do react to vibrations (noise) and after all, are hunters & if in that state will investigate for a feed. I grew up in an area where the Tiger snake was very populous & if ever a snake was deemed inquisitive & aggressive the Tiger fits the bill, unfortunately for us humans a bite from a Tiger can make us very sick & in some cases prove fatal. As we travel north to FNQ the Taipan & Fierce snake are very deadly with the latter reputably the most dangerous & poisonous in the world. I was fishing up on the Howqua river years ago and in my efforts to get to the "best"
fishing spot I dropped most of my gear,fell over & nearly into the river,exclaiming profanities, making enough noise to wake the dead. I settled in and fished for awhile,noticing a dark pile of "something" about a metre away & thinking it was probably cattle poo or something, really didn't take that much notice until I decided to move and exit the area a different way so as to not fall over as per the trip in.
Well I nearly stood on this bloody snake and only after passing did I poke at it with a very long stick & sure enough it had been asleep and slithered off into the under growth. So thumping and banging and making noise doesn't always work as you found out too.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 11:30
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 11:30
Make as much noise as you like around a snake, it won't care, it can't hear you, they don't have external ears.
The do have internal ears that pick up on vibrations.
So as I have experience on a few occasions snakes on the waters edge in general won't "hear" you as the water vibration covers your tracks. hitting the ground with the back of a shovel will get their attention.
How snake hear.... click here
Back many years ago in the High Country or even down Gippsland we I was told that a ring or kerosene around your
camp would keep snakes out as they sense with their tongues and kerosene irritates their skin. It works but make sure that there are no snakes inside the ring... its embarrassing....
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Reply By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:23
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:23
Always a worry with kids so you try and teach them how to respond. Keep in a good cleared space and if necessay take a whipper snipper to clear path to river so kids can see. You must be below the start of the NP and taking a dog affords some protection for the kids. Make sure you have a snake bite kit and know how to use it as it can take a while to get into
Bright.
Watch out for the killer March Flies though, can be shockers at that time of year!!
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Follow Up By: Cruzin&Campin - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:10
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:10
March files are the pits. Thank god for the annex. Poor dog coped it from the march files and the ants. Beautiful part of the world. Good point about the snake bit kit. Having one doesn't mean you know how to use it.
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Reply By: Hilux fan - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:43
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:43
Cruzin & Campin,
We get Copperheads around our house due to the nearby
farm dam, as they are mainly frog eaters. They are a placid (lazy?) snake and can be hard to shift along. They are very common around waterways and dams, but you won't often see them because they spend most of their time curled up in the undergrowth. We've always taught our kids that if they see a snake they stop immediately and slowly back away, then get one of us. Seems to work
well.
Most snakes will try to get away if they are threatened. I once had a Brown snake take off from between my legs while walking in the high country. Most people who are bitten by snakes have been done so while trying to kill them. If a snake feels threatened and doesn't have an escape route, it will go for you, so always ensure it has a route to get away.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:43
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:43
"Any suggestions"..........you could always stay at
home, wrap the family in cotton wool & watch reruns of Pat Callahan's Adventures on TV ;-))
We've camped up the Buckland probably 50 or 60 times & have seen snakes there on 2 occations. Now while my missus got a little excited at the time I took the oppotunity to calm the situation down & teach the kids what to do if they come accross one, this way the next time we go camping they wont be as scared when they do. Before they get out of the car the one thing I always remind them of is look where you are walking.
To be realistic for every snake you see there are probably another 50 lurking in the bush's. It's your choice whether you learn to live with them or go
home to watch Pat, either way the trip back on the road would be far more dangerous than any snake sliding through
camp :-)
Cheers Craig.............
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Follow Up By: Cruzin&Campin - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:16
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:16
The problem with society is they want someone to blame. Maybe we can just ban all snakes. I do agree that there are heaps of snakes that we don't see, and that includes at
home too. I feel safer out in the bush than at
home most of the time. Educating the kids is the best thing. At a caravan park, sorry, a few years back a baby snake was trying to find it's way
home, got a bit of a crowd around it and then some knob came up with a pear of pilers and killed it. Told the kids that's how you can learn from dumb people.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:21
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:21
I agree if snakes in the bush concern you
- stay
home
your far more likely to be hurt crashing on your way out there than be hurt by a snake
seeing a snake in the bush is like any wildlife
- a beutifull thing and if you cant appreciate that youve gotta wonder what your doing there
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:28
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:28
Tell me if someone behind you now clapped their hands together loudly while you looked at those beutifull photo's you wouldn't jump :-))
Cheers Craig........
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:32
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:32
"watch reruns of Pat Callahan's Adventures on TV" ???
I'll prefer the snakes thanks!! LOL
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Follow Up By: caseh - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:36
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:36
Thanks for posting these beaut pics. Can somebody please name them for me. Cheers, Case
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Follow Up By: Cruiser 2091 - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 15:24
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 15:24
Great photos Getoutmore.
You certainly have a talent for wildlife photography. Great work.
Regards Cruiser
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Follow Up By: Moose - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 16:40
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 16:40
"Thanks for posting these beaut pics. Can somebody please name them for me. Cheers, Case"
How about Bill, Fred and
John. :-)
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 16:51
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 16:51
South West carpet Python from the Fitxgerald river nat Park
Southern Death Adder from the
Mundaring Weir region
perth
Mulga Snake from the Francis
Peron NP
Shark Bay
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Follow Up By: caseh - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 17:17
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 17:17
Thanks for posting the names. This site is informative and educational(for some)
Cheers, Case
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 21:33
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 21:33
"Southern Death Adder from Mundaring.............JEEZUS H KRYST
lived in Mundaring all my life and didn't know those humungous man eaters lived here too.............thats its....I'm outa here
Just kidding
Cheers Pop
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Reply By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 13:20
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 13:20
If it was only a copperhead I would have let it be. We enjoyed camping beside a red belly black for a week once. It use to come out and sun itself every day then go back in its log. We realised to late WE had camped next to it. Made sure to keep by
young bloke then about 18 months in his play pen.
If it had been a tiger or brown it would have been a diff scenerio though.
I dont know how people get bitten by copper heads they are so placid, un less wracked.
But I grew up on a
farm so use to them,
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Begaboy - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:13
Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:13
we also have a local red belly on our property , as we have a creek running through our property - he has taken up residence on the walking trail to our swimming holes ( water pump area ) she is about 7 foot and always goes and hides when i approach - as others mention you just need to be mindful that you are in snake country and you will see them late afternoon and first thing in morning..
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Reply By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 14:13
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 14:13
Hi C&C
When camping I find that by the time I've done the whipper-snipping and mowing, and cranked up the leaf blower and cement mixer most of the pesky wildlife has done a runner. The flamethrower (don't use it during fire bans of course) clears out the more stubborn
pests , includng with the REAL (two legged) annoyances (I also carry Barry Manilow and rap music CDs to ward off the latter).
Seriously tho', if you go bush enough there is a 100% chance you will encounter a snake at some time. And if you move on every time you see one you will spend an awful lot of time making and breaking camps. Chances are however miniscule that you/yours will be bitten, and even smaller that any bite will be fatal (okay the dog is at risk because he/she likely will not leave the snake alone - there's the clue to avoiding snakebite).
So what to do? First off, teach the kids how to observe and avoid snakes. Be alert around the
camp, especially when packing up. By all means escort any infiltrators out of your area - just as you did, common sense. And, both you and the missus should obviously learn how to treat snakebite - very straightforward: immobilise limb splint if necessary), wrap complete limb with compression bandages, don't clean wound (traces of venom can help identify the snake), calm the victim, seek help.
Above all, don't worry, look after the bush and its inhabitants, and enjoy your time in the great outdoors!
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 15:53
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 15:53
Hi Bazooka, ...... "calm the victim"? ........ perhaps with the Barry Manilow music??
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 17:20
Tuesday, Aug 03, 2010 at 17:20
Case of the 'cure being worse than the disease' Allan? Apologies to BM fans.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 at 09:39
Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 at 09:39
Gday,
All this from a simple question.......I would have thought the bush hardened "snake lovers" could offer some good advice from all their wisdom rather that criticism.......
You did the right thing by asking and not just killing it....and it sounds like you weren't scared as you tried to deter it.
If all the snake experts cant offer any advice........I will........ kill it.
If I had a snake that was determined to hang around my family and couldn't be deterred gently, it would meet my long handled shovel....If we are out walking we'll leave them alone and go around but when I think it poses an avoidable danger to my family ( and that applies to any animal) I remove the problem ....I value the life of my family over some snake
No it doesn't mean kill everything that comes into your space tree huggers!!!!! LOL
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew S (WA) - Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 at 18:11
Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 at 18:11
Very true. I think this advise can be used any wildlife. The Family always comes first. Protect our family. If you can chase the wildlife (snake in this case) away then do it other wise the only option is to kill it.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Aug 06, 2010 at 13:30
Friday, Aug 06, 2010 at 13:30
Im yet to see a snake that will just hang around
those pics are some of the few ive been able to stalk slowly up to so as not to alarm them and scare them off
the mulga snake you can see is flattening himself out telling me thats close enough and hes about to take off
all of them took off in due course
snakes dont "hang around" any more than most other wild animals
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