What is it with The Morons that chuck rubbish out on the side of the road???.

Most National parks in the NT follow the no bin rule and it simply works, rubbish bin create rubbish.

I agree 100%

There are no bins in the Simpson Desert, plenty of rubbish though!

Wouldn't it be a requirement to empty the bins reguarly if they are provided? I would have thought an overflowing bin is a sign of poor maintenance (as well as the lazy people who throw it next the full bin).

Andrew

I'm starting to think 'no rubbish bins' myself as I often see rubbish bins overflowing excessively at many roadside stops across NSW. On the other hand we travel out Cobar, Wilcannia, Menindee & Broken Hill area quite a bit and we will generally run into maintenance crews attending these sites and cleaning the toilets, etc, as they are maintained very well.

Some of this problem lies with slack local councils or government areas of responsibility as they cut services to save $$$'s. We will almost always contact local councils when we see this sort of thing and send a couple of photos in support, sometimes we get a response and sometimes we don't.

Regards
Paul H

G'day All

I know I am going to be "howled down" about my words regarding roadside garbage ~ including garbage and other crap wilfully dumped in the outback.

I've written many words in various forums about this bilght that is crawling across Australia at a very rapid rate, I've had (harsh) words with local "wannabe" politicians and shire councilors and even at one low point a few years back, I wrote a letter to Allan Carpenter then the Premier of Western Australia about the eyesore of garbage along the Great Northern Highway from Perth to Newman and beyond. In a true political timeframe no response has been forthcoming.

My suggestion to the pollies was fairly simple, put a refundable deposit charge on beverage containers ~ this would give the pensioners something to do and they could earn a quid collecting the throw away containers, there would be obvious benifits for the pensioners in getting some much needed exercise and the system could screw even more money away from the pensioners.

The answer to this was No way would they impost a further fee on the consumers. Then I suggested the powers to be who apparently to have a large workforce locked up in various correctional institutions for non violent crimes ~ allow the poor bored people out under strict supervision ~ this would get those poor innocent people out of an inhumane situation that they are all wrongfully held in ~ to collect all the garbage society chucks out the car window as they go to see the unspoiled outback!! Nope it can't be done cause these buggers have rights eventhough they've done wrong.

Yes I guess that is why the State and local governments have very heavy fines for littering? ;0( and now for the kicking !!

it is true if people are given money for rubbish they dont just dump it in mny travels SA is the cleanest state because of the 10 cnets for every bottle or carton but it seems to be a lot more of the under 30yrs generation coming through that are the wost. i am not old as you would say but there is a big difference is the care factor of anyone even only 5 yrs younger than me. but it is great to see other like me that in many places i go i always take out more than i take in and i thank even one of you that do that.

Not a very practical solution Joe F and why do you think the 'pensioners' travel in the first place, I understand some like to work to extend their travels but bottle collecting won't be much of an incentive.

Iuuses like how to store the rubbish they pick up and how much out of their way to they have to go t dispose of it - or collect $4.90 for the 49 bottles they collect?

If the bins are not full we do a bit of a quick cleanup as you can generally see litter caused by real animals. Likewise we often see and talk to younger travellers who care about the environment and we see some of the 'older travelling contingent' with the wrong attitude.

If we all do a little bit like picking something up and putting it in a bin instead of complaining all the time and looking for someone else to resolve the issue we may get somewhere. As Shaker pointed out there are no bins in the Simpson Desert but plenty of rubbish.

Just my thoughts ....

Regards
Paul H

Joe, I wouldn't shout you down but the problem with your suggestions is that they all cost money to implement and administer - and you're making these suggestions to local governments who are often struggling to finance basic/essential services. The deposit scheme requires a whole process to facilitate refunds, and the supervision of detainees would probably cost more than simply paying council workers to go out and collect rubbish (which a few regional councils do from time to time).

Personally, I think Paul H has hit on the real issue: people (of any age) with the "wrong attitude" - my parents always tried to teach me (and my siblings) to be "other oriented", that is, to think about the next person coming after you (or to put it another way: to do to others as you would have them do to you, or love your neighbour as yourself). For example, take your rubbish with you because the next person most likely doesn't want to have to wade through or look at your garbage. As these teachings become more unpopular in our culture, and are replaced instead with doctrines about our individual rights and that the only person that matters is ME, why should we expect anyone to be considerate of others - the outcome is predictable - people aren't going to bother finding a bin (for example) because the next person really doesn't matter...

Image Could Not Be FoundG'day Fiona & Paul

My point exactly nothing seems to be a very pratical solution to what is in fact a very real problem, my reference in pensioners collecting refundable beverage containers obviously did not come across as humour.

The practical solution would probably be a huge fine attached to littering and wilful dumping, but that won't happen any time soon.

It all comes down to education in a persons upbringing, but because the rot has set in already and we seem to live in a "throw away" society no real value is placed on anything and this is why we are debating this subject.

The image I have posted to help prove my point about no one giving a rats about anything these days, the local shire had to have this situation pointed out to them but all this crap was in eye site of their Council buildings ~ the blind Mongrels !!! and they wander why rate payers get cranky and we all get cranky about the bleeding obvious, in forums such as this.

Joe, I have seen inmates (or guests of HM prisons if you prefer) doing just that here in WA. I would presume those convicted of minor offenses or maybe non payment of traffic fines and not any axe murderers. As far as being supervised I would think the ones out collecting rubbish are to some degree trusties and there are always a couple of guards close handy. Even when "inside" there is a requirement to supervise them. Maybe some of them also see a chance to stretch the legs so to speak.........hopefully not too far away though..........lol

Cheers Pop

Too quick for me Joe.........my comments were in response to your original post, I wonder who the Port Hedland number plate belongs to................lol

G'day Pop
I've never been called quick before so I take that as a compliment, I might say things that are at times rash and in your face but it's pointless beating about the bush when you need to make a statement.

Australian society and our way of life is changing dramatically, people are now days very accepting of the way things are rightly or wrongly, society in general just seem to plod along like numbskulls. The news headlines are usually all about crime - violence - corporate and political dishonesty, yet when the perpetrators are nailed ~ sometimes redhanded ~ they'll have lawyers and special interest groups to help fight for their "rights" !!

There are far to many avenues of escape by being politicaly correct ~ I despise that lousy " cliche' " because some conceited politician conjured it up to save his or her political hide.

Any way Pop, the powers to be told me there are too many "what if's" when I suggested the tracking down of the number plate owner(s).

The Shire's answer to the clean up was to send a bloke in with a front end loader and clear all the garbage - trees - spinifex - rocks and turn the place into a bloody big dust bowl. Shame we are manged by such talented people.

I'll end my contribution to this debate by saying this " if we are not careful in looking after Australia and our Australian way of life" we may well become a third world country ~ frightening when you think about that possibility !

We are in to our second generation that have not been made to be accountable for their actions, so what can we expect?

hi road warrior
yes i agree and our beaches and oceans are just as bad with rubbish everywhere
we have these no litter laws but does anyone kown of a case where someone has actually been put through court and fined for littering i have'nt heard or read of any cases in w.a
it's all smoke and mirrows with the govtmt and councils

i've also picked up heaps of others rubbish but think sometimes it's a waste of time as you go a short distant and find another lot you could fill and east/west freight train and still need more storage capacity
cheers

How many of us as kids wandered the streets, parks, bins etc looking for bottles and cans to cash in? As kids that was good pocket money. Bring it back in. Would reduce littering even if it was the kids collecting them.

hi sdg
if they picked up a bottle these days it would be to chuck at someone's house or car or the police or they will smash it and gash someones face while fighting
there a totally different mind set of yobbo's putting it in a bin never crosses their line of thoughts
but then i dont think many of them do much thinking????

or they will delight in smashing every bottle in sight together
trash it- is the mind set of this generation
cheers

australia wide how much for disposible nappies and contents , no good in car 4x4 or truck it stinks so out the window in our day we washed the nappies we humans are a disgusting lot regards morry

Mazcan, The other problem with kids collecting bottles etc, is that some goody goody is going to complain about the amount of germs their kid might get. (I'm ignoring the needle scare)

Morry, I have a nine year old son I have been raising on my own since he was about six months. I only ever used cloth nappies. I could not see anything wrong with washing them out . The main problem I found with them was
A. Finding them in the first place as initial purchase.
B. The amount of times I was "told off" by others for using them instead of disposals. I politely told them who they could tell that might care about their opinion.(on a similar note I was often told off for changing nappies in the change rooms because I was male and they wanted to breast feed in private)

Everyone in my mothers hometown drops their bottles and cans off to her place and she sorts them and ALL proceeds go to Royal Flying Doctor Service. So far over the past 10 or so years she has donated over $45,000.

Yes sharing the road and the country side with. there is that much smashed glass around these days, we dont have to worry only about staking tyres on mother natures sharps we have to look out for all the glass. I was also amazed in the goldfields how the old timers just simply smashed every bottle they had. Piles and piles of them in the bush. shame Australie shame.