Great Wall

Kev, you can't replace a Troopy......... you can only move yourself to the Dark Side! lol

I understand that the engine is an old Mitsubishi design which comes with the same engine prefix.

Regards

Mate, I spose you think the same way about everything coming out of China like FULLRIVER batteries, electrical gear and TV's etc ??

After all these vehicles ARE built to the ADR's here in Australia

So obviously your suggesting the ADR's are set too low ?

Maîneÿ . . .

There isnt much that comes out of china that is good.
NOT MUCH AT ALL.....
So what if they are built to OZ ADR`s
Doesnt mean a single thing.
You just have to look at the rubbish food that comes from china that isnt checked for quality .........that is fact.
But its still allowed into our country .......
You just have to look at the poisons in medicine that other countries ban because of the dangers ...BUT here in Oz they are allowed.
So in response to your comment about ADR`s ......yes they ARE set too low
just look at the garbage that flows into this country.

As for electrical goods that are made in china, not good news there either PAL.
TV`s for example......how long do they really last for ????????
Cant see a Hang Chong flat screen lasting 15 - 20 years !!!!!!! yet to be proven I suppose.
Fullriver batteries........never heard of them. I think I will stick to Oz made batteries for reliability and quality.
As you can read I am NOT a fan of chinese products and why ??????because the quality in general is absolute garbage.
But unfortunately plenty is produced there and we dont seem to have a choice on most .
HOWEVER.......I will continue to drive my GU patrol and indeed have plenty of faith in its reliabilty a million times over nasty cheap crap like the great wall

???(zhen zuo dian)

I wonder how many chinese made stuff go into a patrol, or your other brand name anythings....

Not all stuff from china is rubbish

wonder where the shirts on your back are made?

I also remember a time (not too long ago) when anything coming out of Japan was considered cheap and nasty rubbish. Perhaps China is going through the same trend?

While there are certain things I wouldn't buy at those cheap and nasty prices (and sometimes equal quality), I more often hear about local produce being too expensive than some good quality Chinese items being too cheap.

I remember years ago I was told by a tyre dealer "Don't buy the Australian made Bridgestones they are rubbish. Make sure you buy the ones out of Japan" I bought the Aussie made ones & had a blow out in the L/cruiser!!! The Nissan Navara is made in Spain & Thailand....depending on what spec's you seek. Any complaints? Apart from the door handles breaking & clutches being replaced? There are numerous products coming out of China some good some terrible. Look at your base ball type cap....nearly all of them are made in China. A mate purchased a Warn Copy electric winch made in China (I won't mention the brand) had it fitted at local 4WD store. The mechanic was checking it out and doing a pre service on it as per the quoted price to fit it. He discovered a flattened Fanta drink can used as a heat sheild over the motor....the can had chinese writing on it which was identified by a customer!!! You get what you pay for and there is no substitute for quality.

A friend of mine - tradie - has bought one of these and it goes a treat. The engine is by Mitsubishi - has Mitsi labels all over it, so can't be all bad.

His gets a hard time on job sites and with all staff able to drive it and it hasn't missed a beat.

So may not be too bad a purchase if you want something that is nice and cheap, rather than cheap & nasty.

MH

the shirt on my back is made in china and is of questionable quality.
I look for Oz made clothes....yes they are still around and I will pay more for it.
I cant think of anything in or on my patrol made in china.
Tyres ummmm USA.
Car ummmmm Japan.
running gear ummmmmm Japan
accessories ummmmmm Australia.
Sound system .......you got it Japan.
Cargo barrier ....OZ.
The list goes on.
Some just dont get it with the china quality issue !!!!!!!!!!
You can not keep comparing early Japanese products to current chinese crap.
Its not that simple. Look at a datsun 180b for example.
many still putting along on our streets.
The crown was a reasonable car with luxury more than what any Oz car offered
I can not in the life of me see this great wall rubbish lasting as long. Korea still makes crap just look at the Kia.....same cheap crap as great wall.
daewoo they sold out...... hyundai getting there.
Why do people continue to defend chinese products......we as Australians MUST push for manufacturing to return to our shores instead of the pathetic excuses of moving offshore for cost factors ........WHAT A PATHETIC COPOUT>

no we are not defending chinese made stuff

but rather we scoff at your inference that all chinese made stuff is crap

what is questionable abot your shirt...everything is questionable

what about some of the smaller components in your Patrol...you can verify that nothing in it is from China?...go way if you even think so!!!
ps i have no idea if it has any chinese made items/componenets..i asked you the question...you need to submit the facts one way or the other else admit that there is the possiblity of it having "crap" from china

Hmmm...

"I can not in the life of me see this great wall rubbish lasting as long. Korea still makes crap just look at the Kia.....same cheap crap as great wall.
daewoo they sold out...... hyundai getting there. "

Daewoo.... = Holden Cruise, Barina (rebadged Daewoo Kalos) and Captiva.... or Chevrolet in Europe... Still built in Korea....

Not suggesting that they are good or bad..

Your Nissan (and my Toyota) maybe assembled in Japan not necessarily made in Japan....

All Japanese UTES are made in Korea or Thailand and parts are sources from everywhere.

Anyone can source OEM parts and see where they are made e.g.

Engine parts
Model: TD27,42 C240 Brand: Nissan Country of Origin: Made In China

Engine Parts
Model: C240/4JB1/6BG1 Brand: Nissan TCM Country of Origin: Made In China Product Description: Particularly large-scale wholesale: S4S, S6S, S4E.S4E2 .. 1Z., 2Z, 2J.1DZ, 4P.4Y.11Z.13Z.2H, 5K. K21. K25. H15, H2...
Keywords:Pump , Link , Flywheel Ring Gear

Piston
Model: For Japanese ca Brand: Hino, Honda, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota Country of Origin: Made In China Product Description: The ZHONGWEN established in 1995, is located in WENZHOU CITY , ...
Keywords:Auto parts , Engine parts , piston

SPARE PARTS new
Brand: TOYOTA and NISSAN Country of Origin: TW, CN and THAILAND

isn't a great wall ute or for that matter station wagon just a 10 year old mitsubishi challenger with a new body ?

to be honest i dont think they are a bad thing and i would prefer my children drive a new great wall wagon than a ten year old patrol which is about the same money ( petrol )

if great walls had a diesal motor option they would sell plenty more

and yes i would trust it to drive around the outback

Pmacks

I have paid $350,000 for a school bus built buy a well known Japanese company with a Aust made body and have had nothing but trouble ever since I picked it up.
Had a break down on day 1,3&8 .Paid an extra $60,000 than the Chinese brand but thought I was getting the best.
One very unhappy owner

Cheers
Glyn

Hi All

As with any body the Chinese are capable of providing goods of any quality required. One issue is actually specifying what you require. Unlike the majority of Australian manufacturers who understand quality standards. The chinese (like the Japanese and Korean before them) need to be educated about what is good quality.

The other issue is Australian suppliers when sourcing goods from china, they want the lowest cost item that they can sell for the highest price to maximise profits. They will drive the price down and therefore quality. This is not the chinese fault but our own.

It would be good to have all manufacturing done in australia however the consumer is voting with his feet and dollars.

Look at our education, more and more young people are now going to university to obtain better jobs, we are approaching another skill shortage, just image how hard it would be to fill factories with labourers in australia. Our own standard of living has moved on for the better for most of us.

You've never heard of FULLRIVER???? What rock have you been living under?

AFAIK the Great Wall ute had Mitsubishi running gear and Rodeo chassis, body panels etc.

Whilst it has a marginal ANCAP score, I recall many well known 4WD/utes having the same scores only a few years ago.

From reports on other forums they are excellent value for money. Yes they have small problems but I do seem to remember a well known Nissan 4WD having occasional engine failure issues.

I'm not saying the Great Wall are great vehicles but I'm certainly not one-eyed about country-of-origin nowadays... unlike some on this forum.

ben,
I've used FULLRIVER as an example, they are made in China, they are used by more people than most other DC batteries and they have *excellent* quality control.
I think I've installed more fullriver batteries than anyone, bar one, on this forum.

Maîneÿ . . .

Mainey,

My reply about FULLRIVER was in response to "coonick's" reply to your post mentioning them.

ben,
woops sorry,
that's what happens when no referance is made to the poster in question

Maîneÿ . . .

if you check out your flash Japanese panasonic flat screen tv's, you'll find they're made in china as well...

An interesting battery tale

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Winter is here so I thought I'd get my Ducati motorbike battery checked out.
Local auto electrician said "How old is it?"
"Dunno"
"If it's over 2 years it's no good"
"Well.... test it anyway while I'm here"

"I'll give it a 50 amp load"
"Hmmm. that's ok"
"Right then. 100 amps'
"Carries that alright, 150 then"
"OK 200 amps then!"
"Sheesh... can't kill this thing, don't waste your money on a new one"

This is a "Yacht" brand battery, made in China
I dug out the previous owners receipt for it... 3 May 2007

Why can't they make everything as good as this?

I don't particularly like any chinese made products, but lets face it, I dont think any of out there would not have something made in china.
How many of us have a Nokia Phone ? Good Finnish brand, yep ...made in China but to finnish standards.
My Cousin went to Hong Kong for a holiday and his wife fell pregas there, poor little girl now wears the tag of "made in china". She's a lovely little tike, hope she doesn't get the tag of cheap and nasty too.. lol.