which tinny will best suit

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Guys we are getting ready to take the big trip around Aus. We plan to take 2 years and have already purchased after much consideration our Nissan Patrol and Van. Now we are ready to purchase a tinny for the roof of the Patrol. Our kids are mad keen fisherman so we are looking at something big enough to fit the 3 kids and the 2 of us. But light enought to carry on the roof. Any suggestions and advice would be greatly received cheers Loz
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 21:57

Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 21:57
I have never carried a tinny except on a trailer, but 5 people in a roof top tinny is going to be a problem, I reckon.
Anything over 3,7m is too big for a roof top (not to mention too heavy).
Anything under 4.3m will struggle to accomodate the family.

Consider carefully if you should really take one and how much use it will really get and where you will use it. A lot of cost and a lot of trouble. Going on a couple of charters (and catching fish because of local knowledge) Vs buying boat, outboard, safety gear, lots of extra fuel, where to store it all..........then no fish 'cos you don't know the area......

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:32

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:32
Sound advice Peter.

Most boats should have the maximum no of adults marked on the compliance plate.


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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 23:18

Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 23:18
I know or know of a few people who have set off on a lap with a tinnie. None of them have brought it home.

The people I know personally set off from north coas NSW and went clockwise. They sold the tinny in Perth. It forced up fuel consumption to unacceptable levels and they figured they would never use it.

Admittedly there is more opportunity in the north of the country but they never wished they still had it.

Unless you have specific plans of where you will definately use it think about fishing from the river bank.

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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 23:32

Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 at 23:32
Don't even think of fishing from a river bank in the far north, because the crocodile will enjoy you for dinner.

In about 2003, I watched a dog get taken from a river bank, his master was fishing and it happened so bloody quick, it was there one minute and gone the next, just the crock going back into the water gave it away.

We were only 2OO mtrs from the perl farm and people sitting on the grass drinking their nice wine.

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Follow Up By: Muntoo - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 01:19

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 01:19
Fished from the river bank my entire life. All around Wyndham, the home of the croc. Night and day, im still here. Its less dangerous then fishing from wet rocks or fishing in rough water. You are in control, not nature.

As for the tinny, i myslef would leave it at home too. Most places you can hire a tinny or go on a charter. Plus fishing from the bank would be wiser up north with kids, unless you have a trailer boat. Its usually retreiving and launching the boat thats the dangerous part, and without a trailer it becomes hard work for one bloke.
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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:50

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:50
Thanks Muntoo but the kids are 5 6 and 8 and I would rather the expense of fuel than taking the chance of a croc getting any one of them. They are to young to have a real idea of the danger involved especially when coming from Vic where we live in a sea side town and they can play in and around the water without a care. IO would never forgive myself should something happen. The money seems a minor when looking at the alternative.
I have had alot to think about from all posts. Maybe boat hire would be the way to go, But I would imagine this is only available in the more populated areas. This would mean we could be missing out on sooo much. But food for thought never the less Cheers
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:50

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:50
John & Loz,
I used to tow a Camper trailer when I went up north, I found I slept out most nights anyway because the temp up there was nice, I realise this is not relevant to your thoughts, but I sold the Camper and bought a 4.2 mtr tinnie.
I tow that now and go the places that are well off the beaten track and not near any town where anyone is living.

I say take a small tinnie on the roof, you can take it off by yourself and drop it into the water without hassles.
I'm sure the whole family will thank you for it as it's an experience not to be missed up there in the rivers seeing the wildlife and even catching a few Barra.

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Reply By: Member - res.q.guy (Vic.) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:30

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:30
Hi
As per your first reply, you will have trouble with, size vs carrying capacity.
On our 2 yr trip we took a 3.4m Stessl edge tracker, 9.8 hp motor and fold up trailer. We soon upgraded to a 15hp motor, the 9.8 was to small for 2 people, 2 dogs, esky, tackle boxes and rods etc.
We wouldn't dream of not taking a boat on such a long trip.
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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:56

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:56
Thanks Neil. Im thinking that trying to find a tinny to fit us all in will be a mission. Im looking at the sizes and a few that weigh around the 80kg say they hold number of people 5 (basic) and number of people 4 (level) I have no idea what this means???? The youngest is just 5 and he is very small then a 6 and 8 year olds. Would hate to miss something because we didnt do the proper research. Thanks for the feedback
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Reply By: Member - Tricky Dicky (NSW) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:49

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:49
hi John
you didn't say what size caravan you have or what model Nissan you have?
I drive the 3lt nissan and tow a 21ft jayco and we are right on the weight limit with 2 people for that model, i would not want a boat and three kids in the car as well it would be well over loaded
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Reply By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:54

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 07:54
We have a Mako Craft (formerly Stessl) Edge Tracker 3.7m. For its size it is a very stable boat, weight is around 70 kg’s.Use a 15Hp as anything else will be to small. Go 2 sroke otherwise it will be to heavy to lift. I can stand up in it without having to worry about it feeling like it will roll over like a canoe! Forget about one big enough for the five of you, you won’t find one that will go on a roof, period! Three is about the right number in a small boat anyway as it will be too crowded otherwise.
Please don’t fish from the bank in the north! Just because you can’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there and that they can’t see you.
Will you use it enough to justify the expense and hassle?? I would say no but then we carry one around and can’t really justify it either.
For the guy who has fished on the bank up North his whole life, would you do it with 3 kids playing at the water’s edge????

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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 13:24

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 13:24
Yes,
definately go 2 stroke, more power for less weight and you can lay them down on their side, a 4 stroke will leak sump oil when laid down, it has to be upright 100% of time and is much heavier than same HP 2 stroke engine.

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Reply By: Honky - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:10

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:10
Took a 10 ft tinnie 2ith a 3.8 hp motor on a trip from Dubbo to Darwin and whilst we did not use it to we got to the top of NT, the trips down some of the rivers was spectaculiar and would do it again.
It was carried on the top of the camper trailer but.
Would have liked a bigger one though maybe up to 3.7 with a bigger motor but the smaller boat help with some of the sand banks.
You will find some sights that you will regret not taking the tinnie.
Most car toppers will be up to 3 adults only.

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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:01

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:01
Honky what you describe is exactly what Im affraid off. We head off on this adventure and to not have a boat and then miss that sort of experience just doesn;t make sense. I really want to do my homework before making any decisions. Thanks for your feedback
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Reply By: Member - Kevin B1 (WA) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:16

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:16
Pity you don't live in WA. I have just what you need.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:19

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:19
A five person rooftoper Kevin?
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Reply By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:52

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:52
Hey John and Loz

I am just making the same decisions for my family. I will be carrying my boat on the top of my camp trailer however not the roof of my vehicle.

I will be buying a quintrex 385 explorer and either a 15 or 25 hp yamaha. You may be restricted by the load limit for the roof of your vehicle. Also this boat will be a wrestle to get that high up on the roof.

The boat weights 100kg and is 1.8m wide. It is perfect for the family as it is big and roomy, very stable and ideal for the family.

I have used this boat on the roof of a nissan patrol with a Tradesman roof rack (boat type with rollers) with no ill effects. I have taken it out west (Louth/Tilpa) like this with no damage, however a big trip around Oz may be a different story.

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Reply By: Member - Peter S (VIC) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:38

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:38
hi john and Loz.....I have just come back form a trip to nhulumbuy up in the NT I dragged my 3.7 quintrex Dart up there on my camper trailer I have an 18hp tohatsu to power it, we fished the estuaries and mangroves in it with three blokes and it did it easy.My model has the transom set up for a long leg outboard which helps prevent any water from coming over the back,the dart also has good high sides to for that extra feeling of safety,and is very capable in light choppy water.Worth a look at I reckon
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:24

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 18:24
Hi Peter, awsome place is Gove, we spent almost 2 months there in 08, real pain with a camper and a boat though. Wouldn't take either next time I think. How long did you have out there and what was your highlight?

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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 14:31

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 14:31
The money you outlay for the Tinny and motor , foldup trailer ,safety gear etc , extra fuel consumption [ somewhere round 1.5 / 2klm per lt less than without the tinny on top] ,,, your better off doing the odd fishing charter ..... our boat was 3.7mt =12ft , nothing like being in a 12ft boat with kids and 14-16ft crocs swimming next to you.
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Reply By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 15:01

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 15:01
Hi Guys,

We just came back from a trip to the Cape and can recommend going with a fishing guide, they not only catch fish but they take you out in a large stable tinnie.

There is no way I would go out where we went in a 12 foot tinnie, espcially with small children on board, we saw too many big crocs in the murky rivers.

We had no trouble swimming on the beaches because with the clear water we could see the crocs, which were generally small enough to shoo away if you made a bit of noise. (We were amazed when we first saw the locals do it whilst spearing mud crab at Loyalty Beach)

The best advice we received was to swim between the locals, but never in the river.

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Reply By: tdv - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 15:39

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 15:39
Hi

I travelled for 4 months through the NT and Kimberley with the wife and 2 kids (5 and 3 at the time). We had a camper trailer with the boat on top. As we are keen fishos it was a no brainer.

I bought a deep sided 3.75m vee nosed punt (Bermuda Discoverer) second hand for $800. It was used but in resonable condition (not much can go wrong with aluminium other than the odd crack). I purchased a late model 15hp outboard and we were away. It easily planed with the 4 of us and I reckon at a pinch you would get all of you in (though most tinnies are rated to 4 people only). With the kids being young we wouldn't spend an entire day fishing anyway so there was no need for big heavy easkies etc to weigh us down. We fished Jim Jim billabong, Yellow waters, 4 mile lagoon, shady camp, east and south alligator rivers etc plus had a ball at middle lagoon in WA following the whales (scores of them to ourselves). Often we would fish for two hours and take in the scenery then let the wife and the youngest out for the rest of the day and I'd fish with the eldest son a bit longer.

Would we take a tinnie again (absolutely!) I would prefer it on the vehicle with a boat loader though as access to the water is much easier when campsites aren't close by.

Sure there were plenty of big crocs around but we weren't silly, the kids were taught continuously of the dangers when launching etc and not once did we have any incidents with crocs. Got some great memories and pics though!

Have fun, you only live once.

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Reply By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 16:47

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 16:47
A Porta Bote might be an option. We have the 10 foot one which planes easily with a 8 HP Yamaha and 3 adults. The larger 12 or 14' size would fit your family OK.

On the roof:
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On the water (with a 3.3 HP Mercury back then)
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Reply By: Fatso - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 17:28

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 17:28
"Now we are ready to purchase a tinny for the roof of the Patrol."
That is exactly where it will stay.
I reckon 99.9% of them are fashion accessories. Part of the essential overlanders check list.
Just fish off the bank with hand lines.
Back in the day when fishing was something that all Australians did to get a feed of fish most fished with hand lines.
Now we all own a ton of fishing rods & boats & half the country don't fish & when they do they want to chuck it back.
You won't get a tinny under 14 foot to carry 5 people in smooth water.
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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 19:21

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 19:21
I understand what your saying. However its not just for fishing. The sights we can see just cruising up a river. Fishing from the banks with 3 small children and crocs I dont think so. 10 foot tinny also I know this wont work. Thats why I asked the question about bigger tinnies and what others are using. We can do charters yes but we are going for 2 years so a boat means that 2 or 3 of us can go out fishing and get a couple of feeds. Thanks everyone for your thoughts thay will all be considered in final decision making. Which at this point firstly is to boat or not to boat
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Reply By: BrownyGU - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 21:08

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 21:08
J&L

I reckon you should post the same question on a purely fishing related website, www.fishnet.com.au is one I used to frequent and always had a good community, I find it's a common response from the 4wd & camping community to just say "hire a tinnie" or "just get a charter or guided operator" but for a keen fisho to stand on the bank of a river and just stare longingly at all the K's of unreachable fishing water is very hard to take.
The thrill of using your own tackle and boat and nous to get amongst the fish, rather than just cast a lure where someone tells you too can't be compared.

Good luck with the search mate

Carrying 5 people in a car topper in 'uncharted' waters is my only concern, I reckon an "odds and evens" type of turn about system where there's only 3 in the boat at a time, is the answer, that way someone is always back at camp incase something does go wrong and can raise the alarm.

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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 22:01

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 22:01
Thanks for the sound advice Browny. Will check out the site you mentioned. We have been talking and we think that 3 at a time in the boat would be the way to go. Cheers mate
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Reply By: Mark Howlett - Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 22:03

Monday, Aug 09, 2010 at 22:03
We travelled for 6 months with our 2 kids and my biggest regret was not having a tinnie! If we do anything similar again, it's the first thing on the list.

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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 14:19

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 14:19
Thanks Mark, I pleased to hear you say that. I dont want to travel for 2 years to come home with regrets. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 at 08:25

Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 at 08:25
And the opposite is we travelled for 6mths in 08 with the tinny on the roof and only put it in the water twice , once at Innaminka and again at the Daly river NT ,,,,,
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:41

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:41
G`day John & Loz,
My mate just purchased a tinny for the same reason you require one.
After a lot of research and visits to Boat Shows etc. he decided on a
"Mako 3.7"
It comes in two choices of side depth, 100mm of variation, depending upon what type of fishing you want to do. It is also reasonably light weight compared to other 3.7`s.
He will be travelling up north so he got the deeper model for safety.
When it`s on his Patrol Pack Rack there is heaps of room underneath for light weight stuff.
Also regarding fuel efficiency I found that while towing my c/van fuel efficiency was most times marginally better when I had the V bottom tinny on the roof rack, it seemed to deflect the air from the c/van.
Most travellers that have rooftop boats and c/van also have a collapsible boat trailer, if they stay in one place for any time they have the boat on the trailer for easier launching etc.

Enjoy,

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Follow Up By: John & Loz - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 14:21

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 14:21
Thanks Scrubby Will look into it. Im thinking the same in relation to fuel economy
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Reply By: BMJTI - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 13:41

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 at 13:41
Hi
We are doing the loop in 2011 and have 3 kids and a camper. I got a 3.6 Zodiac with a wood floor and soft keel and a 10hp motor. Motor attached to the trailer and the zodiac folds into a suitcase size bag and sits on the roof. I can carry it myself and can strap to the top of the camper if i want to use more regular for a while...thought about this for ages and decided that if i am only going to use a boat for 10%-15% of the entire trip why lug agound a tinny and the extra drag on the L/Km ratings.
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Reply By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 at 20:59

Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 at 20:59
John and Loz,

I have one for sale. (Adelaide) You do not say where you are and it does come with a trailer.

It is a V nose punt great for still waters, but okay for calm bays.

Email me if you are interested.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 at 22:42

Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 at 22:42
One thing to consider is the weight of all the stuff you are taking.

Depending on the model of Patrol you are limited in both towing weight and loaded weight.

EG a 3l auto can only legally tow 2500kg and depending on the towball weight at a lightened load in the car.

Dont forget the towball weight is part of the cars load.

A 3l manual can tow 3200kg with the same restrictions.

By the time you load up what your actually NEED against what you want to take you may well be well over limit and hence have no insurance.

Something to consider.

Perhaps you could post which model Patrol you have and the ATM of the van you have and you may get more infrmative answers.


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