My Hilux my accident kids and seatbelts

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Single vehicle accident me driving on a dirt road got caught on a corner and hit two trees head on.

I won't go into the reasons of what happened, I made an error of judgement that was not characteristic and one I had been almost practising never to make, but i did, will leave it at that. Though I might say as I slid uncontrollably toward the two trees I did think if I wrenched the wheel right I could expose my door to the impact, and if I went the other way I would expose my 5yr old daughter's door (behind front passenger seat) to the damage, so head on it was to be and trusting that the engine would drop, it did. Thanks mr Toyota, the steering wheel was a good 6" closer to me after the accident but the engine never broke through the firewall. No airbags, just 10yr old seatbelts and they worked.

My 5yr old daughter had a ruptured liver and spent 5 days in intensive care with blood transfusions, oxygen, drugs, the works, fortunately no surgery, and she is now starting to eat and sitting up.

Why I posted this - don't skimp on booster seats. I did the research and got one with a crash rating of 4/5 stars, and oddly it was only $115.00 at the time, a fully tethered to the rear, Infa Vario. Hundreds less than other fancy ones with gadgets and 2 or 3 star crash ratings that my wife wanted me to buy. I also know I did not have the seatbelt 100% properly fitted at the time and cannot but help wonder if I could have saved her the hospitalization if I had got the seatbelt 100% correct. For big trips next time I'll go the cross harness.

A nurse told me today in a similar looking head on accident, and she doesn't know what seats the kids were in other than that they were booster seats, 5yr twin boys both had their spinal chords completely severed by their seatbelts. I can see now how this can happen.

so, please, keep you kids in the best seats you can find.

Police are not charging me or issuing any ticket, they told me this happens a lot, I wasn't speeding (though it must have been a factor in retrospect), I hadn't been drinking, and I thought I was being so careful.
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Reply By: chris_s - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:28

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:28
Thank you Porl for sharing.
I think we all need to know of others grief, and if your unfortunate message can help one family out there, then it has been a huge success.
Things can go pearshaped very quickly on gravel as you have witnessed.
Thank goodness all is on the mend.
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Reply By: Member - GREENDOG - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:30

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:30
Mate it's a wake up call to all of us,our thoughts are with you and your family.All the best for daughter for a speedy recovery.cheers GREENDOG.
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:41

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:41
and how could I forget, well I was thinking of my daughter and booster seats when writing the post and the poor twin boys in wheelchairs for the rest of their lives, THANKS to the Lismore Hospital medivac and the Woodburn (NSW) police.

i could not have dreamt of better service. Daugther and I helicoptered to Lismore hospital, I was discharged after xrays, daughter was medivaced by copter again to Brisbane Mater Paediatric Intensive Care Unit.

And thanks to the couple that stopped and helped us out along the Gap Road into Budjalung national park last Sunday afternoon if they ever see this post.
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Reply By: Muntoo - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 23:31

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 23:31
Wow, that really hits hard how vulnerable small children are in accidents.
Glad to hear that the little ones are ok now. Must of really shaken ya up seeing a little one being taken away by medivac.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:12

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:12
Thank you Porl, that is a very self honest and sobering post. We all need these sorts of moments every now and then to stay aware.
Many many years ago when a student, I worked during my Xmas vacation for the Road Rsearch Board in Victoria. This was before compulsory seatbelt legislation when they were a hot topic and newspaper letters were full of claims that compulsory seatbelts would infringe our civil rights, or cause people to be trapped in cars etc. We were examining accident reports of blackspots and looking for evidence of seatbelt effectiveness. It was graphic stuff. I rapidly became a seatbelt believer. And despite all that, I'm still stupid enough to occasionally forget to put it on.
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 06:49

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 06:49
Holy cow Porl. That looks pretty scary. Glad to see you survived and my best wishes to your daughter. I hope she recovers fully and quickly. Bob
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:21

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:21
Porl,
Mate, sorry to hear of your accident.
Wishing you both the best of health and a speedy recovery.

And FWIW, you're right, our kids should be in the best of safety equipment!

Regards

Brian

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Reply By: Begaboy - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:51

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:51
A Good post - i will show my kids this as the youngest ( girl of 6 ) always whines about having to sit in a booster seat - we also Travel dirt roads on a daily basis

I do however find it interesting that you didnt get booked considering there was injuries and a LOT of damage involved. I had a friend drop his bike at a roundabout when it has just started raining and there was a LOT of oil down on the road - he got booked for Neg driving ( he approached the roundabout in 1st and at walking speed ) so he basically got booked for oil being on the road that he could not see..


Best wishes for your little girl ..
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Reply By: trainslux - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:18

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:18
Hey Mate, so glad to hear that you and the little one are doing ok now, even tho you have had a bit of a road of recovery, your still all there.

I always make sure our booster seat is fitted as tight, and well as it can every time I have to move it to access the rear seat storage.

Posts like this just reinforce why.

Hang in there Porl.

Trains


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Reply By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:21

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:21
G'day Porl, really sorry about the accident, like you said, you have practised this moment all the time, the fact that both you and your daughter are safe, even with hospital treatment, is testimony to you being ready.

i was in a similar situation when i was 26/7, i slid off the f3 freeway 2 kays north of the southbound caltex. 2" of water, my speed was aroud 90 and dropping, car just aqua planed into centre ditch.

You never know what is going to happen, but I am glad you and your daughter are still with us. Thank you for the wake up call.

I pray God continues to look after you and your daughter and she fully recovers.

Please get some counselling when you can. for both of you.

Kind regards and best wishes

Chris and Teena

p.s. thank you for the tip on child restraints.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:29

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:29
Hi Porl, I am glad your daugher is coming good and hope there are no lasting problems. A friend of ours had a single vehicle crash where their 5 yo daughter was injured, the 'daughter' sued the driver through third party (CTP) which we all have. The result was CTP paid all medical bills and provided a lump sum as compensation. Something you may not have considered.
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 18:59

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 18:59
Thanks Mikee, am on to it. A good holiday coming when she's 18.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:26

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:26
I feel sick just reading your story Porl - but as others have said, thank you for sharing it so that others might learn something. Hoping your daughter has a full and speedy recovery.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 18:05

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 18:05
Thanks for sharing,
I would like to know what sort of booster seat you where using and how it the seatbelts "ran", I'm assuming that the booster seat had its own anchor and the car seat belts tracked across the front of your daughter and the booster seat?
I would like to learn more on how you felt the belts wheren't 100% right, so I don't find myself in your unfortunate position, thinking that I could have minimise harm.

Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:11

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:11
It was an Infa Vario

I won't say what I ddn't do as I am getting Lily to sue me for her injuries so can't make admissions.

It is a lap sash seat belt booster seat tethered at the back. The waist section seatbelt is designed to go under the armrests either side of the child. There is also a locking mechanism for the belts after the child has been secured.

Though this is my beef -

Imagine a seatbelt held impossibly tight like by some vices. Then fall on it landing on the edge with your stomach, it's going to hurt. But imagine a child doing that with no padding, no muslces, no fat, it just cuts into organs.

A Dr tonight that came round tonight even said children in his opinion should not even go into booster lap sash seatbelts until 6 or 7, that is, should stay with the 5 point harness, which actually is an option with the intra vario and which i will be getting.
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:31

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:31
Another thing that can happen and did to us. When our youngest was still a full car seat we were 4x4 driving down a slippery hill. The other kids said Claires seat is moving and hitting us. Scared the crap out of us. One of the kids had undone the seat belt that went through the back of the seat with only the anchor sash holding the seat. After that where the belt clicked in we turned it around so it wouldn't be accidentally undone again.
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Reply By: Chipsy - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 21:31

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 21:31
thanks for sharing Porl,

I will be checking all my kids seats again. real experience from real people can remind us all in such a more immeadiate way than gov ads ever do. its a terrible thing when your kids get hurt and you wonder what more you could have done. I hope your little girl recovers well and fully and that you story serves to remind us all to keep our kids safe.
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Reply By: Stu-e - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:03

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:03
thanks for that.
we bought the best we could buy as well with side impact protection as well, and properly fitted. hope the llittle girl gets well soon, i spend time thinking of these things too when your out driving what you would do if... happened but you can only do what you can at the time.
and thanks "old girl" for that tip i will be doing that to make sure it cant happen to us
cheers
stu
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 23:21

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 at 23:21
It was such a wake up call for me when just before last Christmas a friend of mine was in a car accident (had a choice of swerving off the road or hitting a gas truck that pulled out in front of her (110kph zone and she was on cruise control), so she went off the road no chance to break or anything).
The car flew over a culvert was pretty much written off, her 3yr old Son in the back was fine and so was she apart from maybe some whiplash and an aggravation to an old back injury.
Her other child is in my sons class and she has an older daughter as well, frightening to think the rest of her family could have been without a Mum on that Xmas.

I know how dangerous booster seats are, my son was in one without the seatbelt done up when I was just parking a car once, I must have put the brakes on harder than normal and he flew forward into the drivers seat. I would hate to imagine that in a crash.

Also something to think about if you have older kids is teaching them not to accept lifts from friends if they normally catch the school bus home. As uncommon as it may be some kids in my town had an unfortunate accident. A kid with a newly acquired license gave 3 others a lift home (about 65km on a country road from the school in the other town to ours) and in the wet weather I guess due to inexperience or distraction ended up hitting a tree. One of the passengers died the rest of the kids were injured (including the driver). You know it's such a sad case of "would it have happened if they didn't take the lift". I think the states that have laws in regards to the number or age of passengers are onto a good thing (we're in WA). It seems that in WA the whole child restraint laws are only just coming into play as well. Having lived in Qld, NT and NSW before here I was surprised that it wasn't in force across the board.
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 08:35

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 08:35
There have been quite a few reported incidents with booster seats and child accidents over the years. What a lot of people may not know is that you can purchase a harness for booster seats which can improve things. Basically it becomes a 5 point harness which is locked into the rated childseat lugs of the vehicle and attaches to the existing seat belts. It was not very expensive from memory9 about $40 I think). It meant that regardless of the booster seat you purchased, or the position in the back seat of the car= your child was safely strapped in with staps over the shoulders, across the chest and waist and seucred by the seatbelt and rated child restraint points.Coming to a sudden stop is never going to be good for a little one, but as Porl pointed out- having just one strap across the abdomen can do a lot of damage.
These harnesses can also be used without a booster seat if neccesary.Doc.
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Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:33

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:33
Yes I was actually aware that you can get 5pt harnesses but honestly I never looked into it. I do agree that it's a good idea even for older kids that are no longer in a booster seat.

I have been a passenger in a car without properly fitting seat belts, well in regard to the height etc where they rub on your neck, that's bad enough let alone being in a crash.So I can imagine how uncomfortable it would be for a kid in a booster without a 5pt harness, when we went to that phase I got some velcro on sheep skin things to strap to the seat belt for more comfort.
Perhaps seat belts should be somewhat padded, they would still perform the safety duty but would be more comfortable and hopefully reduce injury even more so in a crash?
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Follow Up By: Ayita5 - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:02

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:02
Hi Porl,

Thank you so much for sharing, and my thoughts are with your daughter and your family.

Can I just also add in regards to the harness you can buy to make a standard seat belt into a five point harness - it is vital in this instance to make sure than in threading the 'lap' section of the belt through the harness, it does not make the lap section ride up on the child to be sitting in front of their abdomen. So often I see kids with these harnesses fitted incorrectly - they'd probably be better off with just the lap/sash seatbelt. When the harness gets adjusted to fit securely, it pulls the lap section of the belt up higher than the lap. In an accident, this can prove fatal due to the injury caused to internal organs.
After the harness section has been adjusted, the lap section must be adjusted one last time and it needs to be sitting right down on the childs lap. You can get some booster seats with 'anti-submarine' clips to avoid this problem, it hold the lap section down where it's meant to be.
I know a lot of you would already know this info - I'm sure most of us researched into all this when our kids went into boosters - but if this info helps one person fit their child correctly then it's worth saying.
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:03

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:03
Hi Ayita5, you are corect about needing to have the harness adjusted correctly. There are probably several designs of harnesses out there. The ones we were fortunate to use actually had several positions that you could thread the lap sash through to ensure the lower belt was across their lap/hips. So as the child grew you could continue to adjust the harness to fit properly. From memory they came with good instructions for fitting also.I think there was also a fitting that could be placed over theseat belt buckle to stop the child from undoing it on their own. Our biggest concern was when the grandparents were looking after the kids and had to strap them in. Fancy car seats and harnesses were not around when I was a child so this was all new for my parents. We had to give them a run down on the do's and don'ts to ensure they had the kids and seats/harnesses utilised correctly.doc.
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Reply By: cycadcenter - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:54

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:54
Sorry to hear about your child getting injured but it appears you still don't get it with your statement:

"For big trips next time I'll go the cross harness"

Statistics say that the majority of accidents happen within 20km of home and not on big trips.

For your children's sake do the right thing and securely buckle up the kids on ALL TRIPS.

BTW the photo shows the steering wheel in its normal position. Safety standards on most cars require a collapsable steering column which deflects away from the driver on impact.

Bruce
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 19:36

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 19:36
Um, I think its you who does not get it.

Porls going thru alot at the moment, cut him some slack, if he could do anything to protect his family, he would, and will, so ease off on the judgemental statements you made, you have really missed the point of this post.

Trains

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Reply By: LeanneW - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 15:52

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 15:52
Hi Porl,

I hope your precious daughter is recovering well. I also have a 5yo daughter, and can only begin to imagine what you must be going through.

I purchased an Infa Vario Booster a few months ago, and chose it like you, for its safety rating. I am a prescriber to 'Choice' magazine, so found out about the crash test ratings through them. I am amazed that one can walk into a baby shop and there is no information at all on the crash test ratings of the seats for our most precious cargo.

I have just today gone and bought another one (my husband and I find it easier to have a seat in each of our cars), and after much searching because the shop I bought the first one from closed down, found the RACV shop sell them. The RACV person showed me another ranking for booster seat safety that has not been released to the media yet, and the Infa Vario is again at the top, with a 5 star rating now.

Thankyou for sharing your post. It was nice of you to share your situation so that other people may benefit.

Once again, I wish your daughter a speedy recovery.

Leanne
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 18:55

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 18:55
Thanks Leanne

Use the seatbelts according to the instructions and the little red dongle, just got back from hospital, her tummy is still swollen but it could be today's introduction of some solids.

I can't help but think she would not have one or more limbs if she were not in an Infa Vario, or be a paraplegic mess on the rear floor. And I can't help but think if I had done the above to the letter with the seatbelt, she may be home by now.

The infa varios, what a find hey, and for bugger all considering how long they last.

And what greater advertisement for them than the above picture and a 5yr old who will be back to 100% within a month or two with no bone breaks or surgery.
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Follow Up By: LeanneW - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:14

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:14
Hi Porl,

Just something I forgot to add... should you get a new booster seat now that your current one has been in an accident? Are they a bit like helmets after a fall in that they could be compromised so it is safer to buy a new one?

Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.

Leanne
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:51

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:51
Yes i know about the booster seat, it was left with the wreckage, though I should have destroyed it.
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