Battery Charging & Power Management

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:01
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Recently I asked the forum about charging battery and power options for ‘The Landy’..... and thanks to all those who responded with their thoughts via the forum and MM. Thread ID 80341 - Battery Capacity & Charging Management

I have decided to install two 80 watt panels on top of ‘The Landy’ and 2 x 100AH AGM batteries, controlled by the Redarc Battery Management System (BMS). The BMS is possibly overkill, however I like the idea of a fully integrated system that can be set and forget and solves my problem.

I did give a Honda Generator some thought, but asked myself would I want to be camping next to someone else’s generator out in the bush (and answered no!) – so gave that idea away in favour of something a little friendlier to all...

Additionally, we have purchased a TVAN (from Member Steve B – thanks Steve!) and it has a 50 Watt solar panel, CTEK battery charger, and 240 volt inlet. This is connected via an Anderson plug to the vehicle and will receive the benefit of a DC charge when driving or otherwise it can be charged via the solar panel or 240 volt. I have decided the easiest way to access this additional power supply from the trailer is to connect the fridge to a DC outlet on the trailer if I (ever) need to.

As a final pass to the forum...am I missing anything, or any glaring problems with this approach?

Cheers, The Landy

Ps: Shoosh...don’t tell Mrs Landy as I am yet to sell the roof-top tent!


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Reply By: Nic I - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:36

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:36
Your approach sounds fine to me (not that I'm expert) and I'm considering a similar setup. Can you confirm for me that the Redarc BMS does not have MPPT solar panel regulation ? Their website doesn't mention it, and if it lacks this it seems a strange omission for such an expensive unit.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:52

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:52
It has an in-built MPPT solar panel regulator....

Ceers......
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Follow Up By: Nic I - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:55

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:55
OK, that makes more sense, thanks for the update. If only the BMS wasn't so expensive ! Then again, I suppose it's doing three charging control functions in one unit - alternator, solar panel, and 240VAC.

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Follow Up By: LeighW - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:00

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:00
Not sure what landi you have but take a look at www.traxide.com.au as they do a system specially for Land Rovers

Cheers

LeighW
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:14

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:14
Thanks Leigh, I had a look, ours is a Defender and these look more for use in a Rangie, or Disco.

Cheers, The Landy
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Reply By: Rod - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 16:48

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 16:48
Is your fridge in the back of the Landy or in the TVAN ? Given you have more solar, alternator and battery in the Landy, I'd be inclined to put the load as close to where most of the power is - The vehicle.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:16

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:16
Thanks Rod, yes it will be going in the vehicle as won't always have the TVAN in tow.

Cheers, The Landy
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:06

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:06
Sounds like a good set up. Having just trialled the BMS system for the past three months, I can thoroughly recommend it to you. I found with the direct connection of my 100 watts of solar panel, I was able to support the Engel 80 Litre combo and build on battery levels during the day. The MPPT controller is a great option as is the DC-DC from the alternator (I was charging 2 x 140 A/H AGM's).

You'll be very pleased with your choice.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:18

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 18:18
Thanks Mick

Appreciate your thoughts on this. It is a little expensive, but it will give me the result I am looking for.

I will be putting a 140 watt solar panel on top of 'The Landy'......

Cheers, The Landy
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Reply By: mike39 - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:22

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:22
TL.
It does indicate you have well researched your requirements and that under normal travel/camping circumstances your power requirements will be well catered for.

However, if using a 12v. (comp.) fridge as a freezer plus another as a fridge as well as other electrical devices what happens if (like us recently) you are stuck in a location due to rain setting in on black soil and the only thing to do is stay put until it dries sufficiently to get out.

No sunshine so the vehicle engine has to be run in order for your systems to stay alive. Not an economical solution, we were stuck for well over a week!

In my case when I replaced the 3way 'van fridge with an Engel 12v. upright supporting the Trailblaza 60l. on freeze, I installed into the truck the small Honda eu10 and a 20a. switchmode charger wired up to the 2 aux. batteries.

In 3 months of travel with camping up to 10 days, the Honda setup was run from 5-7pm (when camped, otherwise charged from vehicle alternator), used approx. 1l. of fuel in this time and could barely be heard from 50m. away.
I found this to be an adequate run time as at about 1 3/4hrs. the charge rate would drop off to about 7a.
This is an ideal system for us, as we also prefer to camp in shade where possible.
Offered only as more thought for your own requirements.
mike
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:28

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:28
Hi Mike

Thanks for taking the time to respond with your experience.

Our recent trip to the Gulf Savannah highlighted the need to review and upgrade battery/power management for ‘The Landy’. Perhaps I am getting old and a bit soft, but I would like the choice not to drive ‘The Landy’ on any given day just to provide a battery charge. In reality we probably drive most days, but whether that is sufficient to adequately charge the batteries is questionable...

We run a 60 Litre Engel as a fridge, some lights in the evening and possibly a lap-top to process photos and write of our experiences. And it is surprising just how much power you require for these items alone.

Mind you ‘The Landy’ has only had an auxiliary battery of low amperage, and that has been part of the issue, but it seemed pointless changing something without a full review of the requirements going forward.

And I hear precisely what you are saying, and both ‘Mrs Landy’ and I discussed at length the use of a generator as a power source. In the end we elected to go solar as it will meet our requirements, for the most part, and we were reminded by young ‘Master Landy’ – a 10 year old with a view on most things, that we should practise treading lightly when travelling in the bush and the outback (he did catch us both off-guard with that one!).

And whilst acknowledging that Honda’s range of four-stroke generator’s are very quiet and provide an alternative power supply source that is probably still consistent with a 'treading lightly' approach, we elected to embrace greener technology in recognition of the viewpoint 'Master Landy' presented.

But our set-up will give us the flexibility to add a generator to the ‘power kit’ sometime in the future, and being a risk management advocate it will most likely be prudent to do so if undertaking a trip in more remote areas....

To close, I erred when I said it was two 80 watt panels I was installing, in fact I have ordered one 140 watt panel.

Cheers, The Landy

Footnote: Mrs Landy has suggested that with so much excess power available she will now be able to put the ‘hair-dryer’ in her tool kit (geez – you solve one problem only to create another; 'Master Landy' surely that isn't treading lightly?)


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