Applying for permits

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:46
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Morning all
I'm in the process of applying for permits to travel the Great Central Road.
Am I best to apply for a transit permit or Recreation or other.The transit
permit doesn't seem to allow you to look around or am I reading it wrong.
I plan to road side camp on a trip to Innaminka then to Tassie.
Also do I need permits or permission to camp in South Australia.
Just trying to do the right thing by all
Norm
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Reply By: pmk03 - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:42

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:42
G'Day Norm,

I'm just home from a trip along the GCR & only had Transit permits. The only detour I took was up the David Carnegie Rd to look at Empress Spring. Other than that most of the features are pretty close to on the road itself.
As far as S.Aust it depends where you are going.....
Check the Articles tab at the top of the page & click on Permits. It will tell you what places require a permit.
Have a good trip
PMK
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:43

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:43
Gday,
Im doing the same thing and applied for a transit permit.


What are permits required for?
There are two types of permits:

Transit permits are required to enter and pass through Aboriginal reserves subject to Part III of the Aboriginal Affairs Planning Authority Act 1972. These permits are generally issued on a short-term basis and usually apply to people in the following circumstances:
wishing to visit through reserves for tourism or recreation purposes;
wishing to travel through reserves for tourism, recreation or business purposes (other than mining purposes);
Visiting art or cultural centres; or
doing pre-arranged business with communities (such as doing consultation on matters that are of interest to communities).
Transit permits are not applicable to people wishing to enter reserves for mining purposes, except where entry is required for consultation purposes only.

Department of Indigenous Affairs
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:48

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:48
Also....
CLC asks you get a permit for the NT side.....legally you dont need one from what I understand but The Central Land Council still asks you to.

Cheers
Hairy
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 14:22

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 14:22
Hi Norm

Both are easy to get on line for the GCR as Transit Permits. Pick any other option and it will be more difficult. Transit permit is for a tourist and allows normal tourist activities, but camping only in authorised places.

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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 14:59

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 14:59
Gday ,
You might find some of this handy.

See .......ThreadID: 80721 for a bit more info on camp spots.

Info on the Outback Way


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Reply By: crd patrol - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 20:11

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 20:11
This is copy and pasted from the clc website.

Are permits legally required?

Yes. Commonwealth and Northern Territory law says that entry to Aboriginal land requires a written permit. Unauthorised entry to Aboriginal land in the Northern Territory can result in a fine of up to $1000.



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If you go to the clc website (www.clc.org.au) you can then find out which roads require permits.

The Great Central Rd is one that requires a transit permit.

You can do these online and if you are only transiting and not visiting aboriginal communities then it should send an email back to you very quickly. But if you wish to visit the communities then it could take a few weeks as they need to ask the communities permission for you to enter. I rang up the clc the other day and asked what the go was and this is what I was told. The lady at the clc was very helpfull and gave the info freely.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 13:18

Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 13:18
Gday,
I think to be fair you need to cut an paste ALL the info.....
Or supply a link...CLC Permits

The reason I say this is the next paragraph states, "cut and paste " from the CLC website...

"Are permits legally required?
Yes. Commonwealth and Northern Territory law says that entry to Aboriginal land requires a written permit. Unauthorised entry to Aboriginal land in the Northern Territory can result in a fine of up to $1000.

However there have been recent changes to the permit system........(which are)

"IMPORTANT NOTE:

The previous Australian government made changes to how permits apply inside communities.

The main changes are that permits are not required to enter ‘common areas' (areas generally considered to be public space), or to attend a court case, inside communities.

These changes legally came into effect on 18 February 2008.

The new Australian government's policy is to abolish these changes but allow permit free access for journalists and contractors.

At this stage it is not clear when that policy might be implemented. During this interim period, the CLC requests that all visitors to Aboriginal land comply with the CLC's permit system as outlined below, notwithstanding that the legal position has changed with regard to certain community access.

Regardless of any government changes, a permit is legally required to visit any Aboriginal land outside of communities . Also see the CLC map for which access roads require a permit.

The CLC thanks all visitors for cooperation with this request of traditional owners to continue to follow the principle of asking permission before entering Aboriginal land.

If you have any questions about the permit system please contact the CLC on permits"


That to me says....Its a "CLC requirement" not "Australian Government requirement" to enter common (like roads and shops) areas on Aboriginal land until the laws are revisited??????

There is a link to a map section which shows The GCR as needing a permit, but under who's rules? Or is this now void since the intervention????

I also contacted the CLC and asked for clarification and the answer was.......they would appreciate it if we ( white people) got a permit?


So to answer the question, are permits required by law? Buggered if I know? They are free and easy to get so its up to the individual to make their own interpretation I guess...

Cheers
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Follow Up By: crd patrol - Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:33

Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:33
Hairy,

I think to be fair you need to cut an paste ALL the info.....Fair comment.

crd


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Reply By: The other Norm C (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 22:32

Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 22:32
Thank you all
I will submit my request for a transit permit in the morning
for the Great Central Road.I've set about getting a Desert Parks Pass
thru the Shop It all seems good so far
Thanks for the reply's
Norm
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Follow Up By: Berniec - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 15:00

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 15:00
You need to get permits for the Yulara - WA border in the NT and the border to Laverton section in WA. As a transiting driver I dont know what value there is in getting the permit only that it makes you legal and have no excuses for being in the "wrong" place. I actually find it offensive that I have to ask for permission to drive on a public road in Australia. I know the land is Aboriginal land but the road itself is just another road.
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Follow Up By: The other Norm C (WA) - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:55

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:55
I agree completly
Its been made a requirement to have them
So may as well apply
Norm
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