Engine running rich
Submitted: Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 16:31
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Member - Mario M (INT)
Engine running rich using at least 18liter/100klm city driving with 1998 Prado petrol v6 3.4 liter auto, rang Toyotaways Rockingham said that there is no adjustment for fuel or air, the computer runs everything. They said change air filter, oil filter, oil, and spark plugs, sure air filter and spark plugs i agree but there must be more to it than what i am told. Please help ?Image Could Not Be Found
Reply By: Falco80 - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 16:43
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 16:43
Mario, I'm guessing that would be around normal usage for city driving in a petrol v6 auto Prado? How heavy is your right boot?
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Reply By: Rockape - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 16:47
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 16:47
Mario,
the engine has a lot more things than just being run by a processor, the processor has to have information sent to it so it can work out the best fuel load, some of these sensors are inlet temp, mass air flow meter, oxygen sensor, timing sensor and so on. If one of these stuffs up or gets contaminated with oil or other foreign material the processor gets the wrong info.
Have a good one
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:17
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:17
Theres plenty of "adjustments" ... if you know how .... sadly, its not as easy as it once was with a simple twist of a mixture screw or a change of jets.
First up tho ....
Has it just started running rich ... what litre per klm was it getting before ?
16/100 doesnt sound all that bad tho ?
What distance is the fuel useage calculated over ?
Is that the trip computer average or the "real time" useage display ?
Have you changed fuel supplier or fuel type to that ethanol garbage ?
Is the temp gauge indicating a colder running temp than normal ?
Have you checked for engine codes ?
Just a guess but most likely you have a problem with an upstream O2 sensor.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:28
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:28
Very good advice, especially about E10, economy drops by at least 10% outweighing any saving. I run nothering but 98. Having said that I got fuel at
Singleton United the other day(still 98) and used an extra 10l to get home and had to change the fuel filter to boot.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Madfisher - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:23
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:23
Mario you do not say how many ks it has covered. But if more then 150000ks then your oxygen sensor is suspect also fuel filter. My Jacks economy went down
hill at 160000ks, replaced oxygen sensor and fuel filter. Just recorded 14/100 towing 4.2 m boat packed to the gunwhales with
camping gear. I get 15/100 arround town but myn is man. Wife auto Jack would be up arround 18 on short trips.
Do not take it to a dealer take it to a specialist engine tuner.
One more thing clean the throttle body with carby clean this did help my wifes Jack.It is an easy job on most engines.
Prados are normally a bit better on fuel then Jacks all things being equal.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Mario M (INT) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:15
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:15
The klm is 209,000 i can see the white smoke and smells like fuel, it is a vehcle i just bought i done 200 klm and used 30 to 35 ltrs on a empty vehicle, yes i must fill her up and get correct fuel usage but have had many vehicle and know something is wrong Madfisher i think you have the most accurate advice thanks to you and all the rest of you for the good advice. Can you recommend a auto dealer who is honest and cares about FWD ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:37
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:37
Hi Mario. Check around local to you and see if you can find a younger mechanic or auto electrician with a "Scan Tool". Make sure it has the specific program for your model 4wd. They will be able to run the car with the scantool plugged in and read fuel injector openings,O2 operation and a host of other perameters. I recomend a younger person as they are normally trained in these operations where us oldies normally don't compute them as
well. LoL Bob.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mario M (INT) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:51
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:51
Thanks for advice, i shall get back to the
Forum and let you know the results.
Cheers Guys
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:08
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:08
Mario is it misfiring, or is the check engine light on, but oxygen sensor would be first on the list, although if running rich it is normally black smoke.
I take it you are overseas, so can not help with a mechanic unfortunalty.
You could also try the prado
forum or lcool
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Ray - Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:32
Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:32
White smoke is unburned fuel whether it be diesel or lube oil
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 18:54
Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 18:54
I thought white smoke was
water in the oil, could be wrong.
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Reply By: Member - William H (WA) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 18:21
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 18:21
Take it to a good auto elect and have it put on the machine that checkes the CODES and see if some of them are out of wack.....if so they can put the right Codes back in.....i have just had the Commodore fixed and all is
well again.
Cheers for now...Williamh...Bunbury...WA.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:04
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:04
Mmmmm tried that, but auto electricans do not always know what they are seeing. Far better in my experience to go to a mechanic that has the latest scan gauges , and who knowes what he is seeing.
To give you an example I had misfiring at middle rpm, goes to auto electican who agrees something is wrong on the inlet side after checking with his scan gauge, to his credit though he did not charge me. I then went to old mate mechanic who has one listen and tells me correctly it is sucking air arround the inlet gasket(which turned out to have spilt)
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Mal58 - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 20:32
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 20:32
Hi,
Your 98 prado being the second series, does not have an oxygen sensor in the exhaust, so it won't be that.
The most common cause of high fuel consumption after a heavy right foot, E10 fuel etc, is due to the airflow sensor (which is located just after the air filter) getting a little dusty / dirty. It should be carefully cleaned with spray carbie cleaner or similar.
Cheers,
Mal
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Follow Up By: Member - Mario M (INT) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 20:38
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 20:38
Sorry i am not a lead foot took it real easy also did clean air flow sensor.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - John S (INT) - Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:12
Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 at 21:12
g'day Mario,
I have a 2001 prado with the 3.4 and auto, after trying the recommended checks like, air filters,plugs etc. and a computer check up.It would be worth a try of putting in a fuel system cleaner with a couple of tanks of fuel,and see how you go, maybe it would help.Also with my Prado ,when it starts ,it blows a little lighter coloured exhaust until the auto choke goes off, you can tell by listening and watching the revs, maybe yours is not shutting off. hope this helps.Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 19:01
Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 19:01
"it is a vehcle i just bought i done 200 klm and used 30 to 35 ltrs on a empty vehicle"
Mario,
When you have more accurate information, then ask again.
I'm guessing your vehicle is normal for a 3.4L auto Prado.
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