Two way radio's

Hello all,

We will soon be travelling for a few years around Australia full time and I am wanting to know about 2 way radio's. Are they needed? If so why? What brand/model is advised for a total beginner? What sort of coverage is needed? All advice and information will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Wayne
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:21

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:21
Wayne,

Have you had a look at the communications article in this site? You will find it in the "articles" section in the blue bar at the top of the page. If you have a look at that article you should get a good overview of the different types of radio (UHF, HF etc), and then perhaps come back with some more specific questions.

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Val
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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:22

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:22
you don,t need a 2 way radio for normal travel unless you are travelling with more than 1 vehicle , for car to car talk you only need a UHF , if you are going
to travel in remote area you will need , a sat phone or HF radio
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:38

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:38
peter
I disagree !.

UHF is all we got, and it is really handy to check with passing vehicles about road conditions ahead, and as a safety device, in "dune country", for calling ahead, and alerting other vehicles.

For remote travel hiring a sat phone is probably the best solution, as not everyone can afford HF radio's.

Another option is a Spot 2, which we will eventually get, or an EPIRB, normally borrowed, for "slab" when we head out.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:31

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:31
It is very helpful to have a UHF if travelling on outback roads especially in Roadtrain areas.
Nothing worse than having an angry roadtrain driver up your clacker who is waving a mic out the window and expecting you to talk to him.

Get one and set it on Chan 40 on all western and inland highways.

Dsepite the people who say they have travelled all around the country and never used one and never needed it they are probably totally ignorant of holding up others who could have talked to them and arranged a passing spot.
A UHF is the best thing we installed in our vehicle and used it constantly in the north and west.
It allows you to hear the truckies talking and hear of wide loads that you have to get off the road for (not always easy at no notice)
Also to advise faster vehicles you have seen them and to let you know when they are coming through..

A GME or Uniden are good brands. Se the article.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53
Graham,

I agree with what you say about having the UHF on while travelling, but I would have it on scan all channels. Not everyone is on Ch40.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:10

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:10
Chan 40 is the truck channel up the centre and all north and west roads
Chan 29 is the Hume and east highways
39 is around Adelaide

Anything else is usually garbage

I turn it off because of the language in cities.

Ch 18 & 20 which are the vanners and motorhome channels are usually filled up with inane chatter as well.

Stick to the truck channel and you wont go far wrong

Radios are for safety while travelling not discussing what the cows are eating in paddocks or what you are having for dinner.
Just my opinion after using them commercially for 23 years
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:35

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:35
Ch 29 is only used between Syd & Bris on the Pacific Hyw
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 14:04

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 14:04
I agree with Graham on this and as I have posted previuosly, when travelling with friends or a group I have a hand held in my shirt pocket on whatever the group is on & have the main set (UHF) on scan....especially in the high country when up and down mountains, it's handy to know who is close & what they are up to etc....even noting what channel the local land owner is on especially if an emergency arises.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:57

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:57
Graham
Good reply..
Peple should get some good info from this that I wrote for another website

READ HERE

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:08

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:08
To all
For what it's worth, this is my point of view.

No one ownes any channels, it seems that there are unwritten rules, by certain groups that think they have exclusive rights to certain channels.

That's not correct.

If I want to talk on chan 40 I will,
If I want to talk on chan 28 I will.
If I want to scan I will.....
No one can force that on anyone else.
If I do not want anyone to listen I will use "selCall" or CCTSS

When did the Simpson, there are signs to use chan 10, (outback channel)
I have no problems with that..we used it all the time
But some one in our group still had to have their UHF on scan, to listen for the non-conformers........ why ?
To me.. that is asking for a accident or "head-onner" on top of a dune.

The CSR is 40, I could be wrong !
It's amazing just how many people think that you listen, and never call back, or acknowledge on chan 40, because of some stupid assumption that it's exclusively for trucks, or that is a "sacred channel"
To our group, that created a dangerous situation, as you can never work how many vehicles are heading your way, or where they are.

We just yakked our heads off, with the theory that at least other travellers can hear us coming. ...SAFETY FACTOR !

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:32

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:32
Hmmmm I will do what I want I dont care about others!!!!!!!.

Chan 40 is not an exclusive channel for trucks but it is the accepted one as I said
If you want to blather on use a different one and scan the "Usual usage" channels.

I used to work taxis and if you raved on using the company channel it usually hit you in the pocket.
Ch 40 is used generally as a safety channel for warning of wide loads etc and should be kept for that.
Even hear the trucks say go 35 or similar if they want to chat.

That is the polite way of doing it.

Do u ask on every one of the 1100 dunes if anyone is on the other side.

If people followed the signs advice instead of doing their own thing it would be much simpler wouldnt it.
I prefer to have the radio on ch 40 and say nothing unless necessary.
If scanning same applies.

Am of course referring to road usage rather than sandhills.

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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:05

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:05
Bucky

The UHF channel in the CSR is 40.

It is a completely different environment for UHF on the desert tracks compared to the bitumen highways. Recently on the CSR it was very helpful when groups chatted on 40 as it gave a good idea of who was out there coming your way. This year it was not just dunes. With all the growth of the scrub there were some very narrow tracks with little visibility ahead so it was very handy to know someone was close so a spot could be picked for pulling over and allowing the oncoming vehicles to pass. It was a bit difficult at times with the few vehicles that were in "radio silence" - no time to plan a good spot to pass.

As Graham H alludes to no one announces where they are on the top of each of 1100 dunes BUT a lot do give position reports such as "two vehicles northbound from well 24" which is useful for other drivers nearby to know.

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Reply By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 13:02

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 13:02
Depends what sort of radio and where you are going. HF and Satphones have huge ranges (3000km for HF, world wide for the satphone). Most travellers have one or both of these if they go to remote areas. UHF has a range that is line of sight, say 30km. They are ususally used for vehicle to vehicle comms. Short answer is no UHF radios are not needed.

Longer answer is that UHF can be useful. You can hear the chatter from nearby vehicles so you can watch out for them. On many smaller tracks there are blind corners with brush everywhere so you can warn others of you presence. On roads with trucks you can talk to the truckie and they will often move over to let you through. If you have a small hand held as well it can be used to help guide you through tight spots without all the yelling. On some trips you hook up with others so while you may start by your self this may not be the case for the whole trip.

UHF radios are relatively easy to use and most people get the hang of it in a few minutes. No one really cares much about the radio/call protocols as long as you leave the call up channel alone and don't use channel 5. HF requires more knowledge and the protocols are usually more rigidly followed. You can still learn enough to become proficient in a few hours. Both types usually have a lot of other features that you can learn about if you wish.

Most UHF brands are ok. GME and Uniden are both good sets.

Barrat and Codan provide HF sets and are both good and have loyal followings.

Steve
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 15:30

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 15:30
Hi Wayne

While a built in one with a good external antenna gives good coverage, a hand held will suffice to communicate with traffic near you. We have found scanning a waste of time, and stay on the highway channel 40 or what ever may be specified in that area. We have a large 40 on the front and rear of our caravan so truckies know they can easily reach us.

Essential for announcing on narrow road crests and bridges, particularly in areas used by road trains (and knowing when they are approaching). Good for talking to truckies who may want to pass you, or if you want to pass them on a wider road. Helpful to know of hazards ahead, wide loads etc. A waste of time in cities and large towns, where there is a lot of noise from signals just out of range and where most communications are useless or incomprehensible to the traveller.

We would not travel without one.

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Reply By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:54

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:54
We have one in the ute and I have a small hand held.

It is good for Margo to keep in touch with me when I wander off fishing or photographing stuff.

Apart from that the one in the ute is nice to have when traveling with others and also on the local tracks used by logging trucks.
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 20:37

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 20:37
There are some good answers up there.

With every 4x4 we have had we've always had or put a UHF radio in.

More recently we've have a couple of normal small cars and ended up buying a couple of little Uniden hand held units which operate on a couple of AA batteries (they weren't very dear either). They are particularly useful if you're following another vehicle or driving together but separately. Off road a hand-held is useful if you're out of the car and having to guide the driver (think reversing the caravan, saves the hand signals or yelling) and that's why you might find that some people have one of each (fixed in car type and a hand held).

There are plenty of popular brands to chose from such as GME, Uniden, Icom etc
We've mainly had Uniden but I'd consider all of those three brands if I was looking to buy again.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:19

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:19
Hi Wayne

Check out recent threads 80582, 80054 and 79948 on communications, including UHF.

Mh
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