Wifes Car Sickness

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 19:37
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We do plenty of 4wding and I drive a V8 100 series. But one day I got to drive a 100 series diesel because I was looking at buying one to reduce towing costs. My wife has never been car sick in 30 years but the turbo diesel made her sick. So that was a few years ago and she always drives our 85 HJ60 Landcruiser with no problems. Today I put her in a Prado Diesel and sure enough she gets sick again. Can anyone shed any light as I want to upgrade and it is not looking good.
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Reply By: OREJAP - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 19:53

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 19:53
G'day TW, We looked at a Prado Grande in 2009 T/D we drove around streets & the f/way my wife complained that the vehicle made her feel sick because it seemed to float and as she put it "Wollow like a whale" We also looked at T/D Cruisers same thing....ended up with the Pajero VR-X which, I believe more stable on the road.
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Follow Up By: TensionWrench - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:53

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:53
Hi Orejap
NOt sure what is going on with her. But I also had a bloke I worked with who had a TD Landrover and traded it in for a TD 100 series and sold it 3 months later as his missus got sick so I am confused. My wife also has clocked up plenty of Km's in a 3.0 Lt Td Hilux with out a problem.

Got to be suspension.
Thanks for your comment.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:43

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:43
Cant see how a 100ser would wallow like a whale.

We had a 3.0 Patrol and I took wife for a drive in a 100TD and she got the cheque book out really quickly.

Its more comfortable, is easier to park, goes better and after about 30,000k of our big trip she remarked "Im glad we arent doing this in the Patrol".

Of course it depends on how you drive it, some drivers can make me sick as well LOL


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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:55

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:55
Unless you are doing a lot of towing I think you may find the servicing costs of the diesel may outway the fuel savings. Also the initial cost of purchase will be a fair bit higher.

Eg when I bought mine it cost me $57,000 with 58,000 on it

Shortly afterward a friend was going to trade his V8 and got offered $28,000 for it

Over a 13 month 50,000km trip our 100TD averaged 5.7kpl towing a 2.8t van.

Fuel cost approx $12,400 and servicing costs were just a bit over $4,000.

That is almost 1/3 of the total cost of the trip.

When not towing recently from Coffs to Brisbane and return at max legal speed it returned 9.7kpl.

Something to chew on

I have been in both models and they both travel about the same.

Dont travel with the windows down in a diesel may be better.

Mine has Progressive springs and airbags in the back and doesnt wallow but a sports car it aint.



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Follow Up By: TensionWrench - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:01

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:01
Hi Graham
I have always been fussy with my suspension and have never had a problem with my Cruiser or Hilux as I usually run with Old Man Emu. The Prado today did wallow a bit and it was a friends.
We did 18,000km in the V8 towing a 2.5T van and the economy was horrendous. Had the vehicle checked out in Townsville and all was fine. I replaced the Charcoal canister on suspicion as she was on the nose but to no avail. But it wont change anything I am a Cruiser tragic. BUt I will stick with the 100 Series as the price for a 200 series is a joke.
Thanks for your comments. Might be easier to trade the wife in but too expensive.
Ciao
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 00:16

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 00:16
Huge difference between a 3 ltr hand grenade and a T/D Cruiser Graham!!! More Killer wasps & more torque & worse of all A LOT MORE $$$$$ to purchase!!! Better resale value though. A few years ago the V8 cruiser was cheap as chips at the auctions no one wanted them because of the price of fuel....Toyota are not happy putting a bomb under them (LPG) however the Nissan 4800 seems to handle the BBQ fuel better....Rob Miller who frequents this forum reckons the sun shines out the back doors of his 4.8!!
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:42

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:42
maybe it's the diesel fumes that's giving her the problem...
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:54

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:54
Lot of sense in that statement HG , and the wrong combination of that and rolling suspension can be just to much for some.

My wife gets so sea-sick that we gave yachting - but no issue in the many petrol cars we have owned, even over the long distances we sometimes travel.

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Follow Up By: TensionWrench - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:05

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:05
I thought that but she can sit all day off road and on road in the HJ60 with fumes and doesn't bat an eye lid.
Suspension is looking like the culprit.
Thanks for the input.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:59

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:59
Its a tricky one Tension , the make up of fumes has changed a lot these days.

The HJ60 type are now known to be much more carcenogenic , but less upsetting in the short term - whereas the new mix has different characteristics.

One thing I would try if you feel its suspension is to play with tyre pressures without informing wife.

Go a lot harder - and see if you get same reactions.
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Reply By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:44

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:44
Can anyone shed any light as I want to upgrade and it is not looking good.

Car or wife?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 08:35

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 08:35
Its mostly imaginary I think or leaving windows open and sucking fumes in.

Only trouble I ever had with a diesel was a Farmall tractor that the muffler came off and the fumes were coming straight back towards me. Went to sleep on a bush track and ended up with one wheel stuck in a tree over a 50 foot drop.

Woke me up rather quickly and encouraged the boss to buy a new exhaust system.

Had to use a Tirfor to winch it back onto the track which was a fair problem as well.

LOL

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Reply By: Member - Gavin W (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:55

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:55
Hi TW,

Have you tried another Prado that has had the suspension 'stiffened'? A friend of mine tried that and it worked a charm. It seems that his Prado 'floated' too much.

After the suspension was upgraded, she hasn't had a problem.

Just my 2c worth!
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Follow Up By: TensionWrench - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:08

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 15:08
Thanks Graham
I will give it a go
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Reply By: Off-track - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:00

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:00
I too hated the stock suspension of the 100TD as it wallowed all over the shop...or maybe more accurately felt like you were floated along.

Much better with stiffer suspension.
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:36

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:36
Yeah Toyota's make me sick too LOL.
Cheers Dave..
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:38

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:38
Behave yourself Dave...........................

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Reply By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:36

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:36
If it's motion sickness that's the problem, and is still present after a suspension upgrade, then antihistamines will help, and /or this may be of interest >>>

Buderim Ginger

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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 00:09

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 00:09
Yep you're a gifted man Ed & you have certainly hit the nail with your head on that Bunderim Ginger. Best thing for motion sickness especially sea sickness.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:33

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:33
Hi Ed. My wife suffers from osteo arthritis and on reading the info for Ginger it seems it may relieve some of the symptoms so looks we will give it a try. Thanks for the link. Bob

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Reply By: wildman - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:20

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:20
A little off the topic, but my wife gets car sick often. However when we used to compete in our WRX rally car (alot more g forces etc) with her head down reading pacenotes, she was fine. I think it is a matter of diverting attention, or concentrating on something else.
Ginger tablets or Kwells are the go if you don't mind pill popping (even top co-drivers use these in rallies and off road events).
Since we have got our new Paj though, there has been no mention of motion sickness, and I am certainly not going to bring it up - pardon the pun!
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Reply By: Nargun51 - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:01

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:01
Is it the new car’s suspension that your wife has to get used to, or do you have to get used to the car so that you can drive in the same smooth manner?

A couple of degrees slack at centre of the steering could be unnoticeable in an old car and your steering movements allowed for it, move into a new car with tighter steering, better tyres etc and the little movements that your body remembers translate into minor movements of the body of the new car.

My wife complains bitterly when I’m lucky enough to get into the driver’s seat of her Alfa. Even though my Pajero handles reasonably well, she can feel I’m still driving it. Takes me at least ½ an hour before my body adapts to the different handling vehicle.

Almost put it off the road one wet day a couple of weeks ago. Worked out later that I had accelerated just before the apex of the corner. My body remembered you start accelerating a little bit before the apex to allow for turbo lag and spooling up on the diesel. Almost a fatal mistake with an Alfa engine

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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:12

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:12
G`day TW,
An old remedy for motion sickness that works is to let the sick person have a rest and then let them drive.
How many drivers get motion sickness ???.
I have never heard if a driver being affected.
I am assuming that your wife was a passenger at the time.

Regards,

Scrubby.
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Follow Up By: Member - Amy G (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 04, 2010 at 09:07

Saturday, Sep 04, 2010 at 09:07
Totally agree. I get car sick as a passenger in our 80 series, especially when off road (the other half finds this rather amusing), and I definitely can't read or sleep or do anything other than look straight out of the window at highway speed. Hence, I drive 99.5% of the time :)
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Reply By: Boags - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:27

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:27
Hi all, Well, I haven't seen any ladies reply so I thought I'd give it a go. We've had a 60series, 80ser and now 100ser and my husband changed the suspension in all of them, before then they were always wollowy and floated and yes I felt sick. But once the suspension is done all is well, but I can't read anything as I do get motion sickness and looking down whilst driving is a no no. If the road is extremely bad - I drive and everything is fine. And it is just getting used to a newer car - like when you buy anything new - beds, chairs you just need to get use to the feel and get your spot sorted out but once this happens all's great!!
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Reply By: & speedway nut - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55
I also have car sickness, no turning around and talking to the kids, no reading. no rough suspension. and I have to make sure i have eaten something.
but -
I have found that when we went from Ford Sedan to Patrol turbo Diesel, i had a lot less car sickness. even able to read a map whilst in passenger seat for a short while.
what was different??
I was sitting up straighter, different suspension, and higher off the road.
Now we have a XR6 Ford and a Rodeo 4 door ute and I find it much more comfortable to be a passenger in the ute. again sitting up straighter, different suspension adn higher off the road. I can't read maps as easily i did in patrol, but ....... (its the only thing that i attempted ) and kids would much rather sit in back seat of ute otherwise they also have car sickness.
I also have ducks disease, and find it much easier to drive the ute than the car.
maybe the Prado is just too nice, and you may have to look at something that is less car like, more upright seats, and different suspension.
you will have to keep test driving , shame that LOL
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