ELECTRONIC rust PROTECTION

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 19:41
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Hi would like some advice on ELECTRONIC rust PROTECTION do they work ? if so what should i look for if i buy one there so many on the market any advice would be much appreciated
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:39

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:39
In the case of the VS Commodore I installed one in no it didnt It still rusted.

I think they are up there with Hiclowns and fuel polarisers.

After all most cars are rustproofed or the panels are treated before assembly


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Reply By: Member - MYPRADO - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:50

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:50
I have one and watched one rust spot in particular for 4 years and did not get worse. See for more feedback.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:54

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:54
Hi
I see that in that thread too, the advise by some one, who is well qualified in the field,[his detailed explanations indicate this to those with the knowledge ]was not accepted by the unqualified true beleivers.
Peter
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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:26

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:26
why waste your money . if you look after your vehicle properly
you won,t have a rust problem
mechpete
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Reply By: Ianw - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:57

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 21:57
Well, I know that mine works, but I'm not going over that all over again !!! Check out thread 43334 from a few years back. It is all explained in detail !!

Ian
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:46

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:46
Its black magic stuff, in the same category as UFO’s, water diviners, crystal balls, leprechauns etc.
Oops I used the word black – this could get moderated.
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Follow Up By: Samuls35 - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:14

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:14
the reason i really ask is that i have a 2.5 year old narvara with rust above all the front window nissan are going to to cover it through warranty with much fighting whats to say in a year time it will come back . dont say its how you look after your car the rust appeared 6 months after buying the car ......
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 08:40

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 08:40
Well its like cancer once you have it you have it for whatever life is left.

Only way to fix it is cut the panel out and weld in a clean one.

Must be a Monday car or a Friday arvo one.



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Follow Up By: Plugga- Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:12

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:12
Had the same rust on our Nissan Narvara after 6 to 12 months.Was told it was because the design of the wind screen.the rubber is behind the glass and there for small rocks sometimes would slid up the screen and hit the paint above on the top edge which caused small chips in the paint. There was a lot of rust started on ours but have sold the Nissan now
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:26

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:26
Toyota ST 150 Coronas had a similar problem The rear window glass was fitted in a rubber surround, dry That is no sealant.
Over time the water worked its way in owing to the inner edge being lower than the outer one. Result was that the panel underneath rusted and as you couldnt see it you didnt know.
The only fix was to remove the rear window cut the whole parcel shelf out and replace it.
Was considered a structural fault In NZ and required this to be done to get a warrant of fitness.
Every time one went in the mechanic would poke something up under the panel and 9 times out of 10 would go right through. Was a pain in the A for sure.
So much for quality.

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Reply By: PradOz - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:52

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:52
This is one of those subjects that is up there with ones that mention politics, cooper tyres, engel or waeco etc - however without getting into a debate with anyone - if I was in your situation and not able to sell it after repairs done, I would look at the electronic rust protection as an extra form of insurance to the repair work and your ongoing maintenance.

I have it fitted on my Prado and many people remark on its paint and chrome condition - even just last night someone positively commented yet again! I got my "rust" unit at the "right price" so thought why not. I had also seen 3 other 4WDs with them fitted that i never new were until told about them. Their paint condition were excellent which led to me finding out about the elect. rust protection fitted in their vehicles.

I did a lot of research including a few lengthy discussions with an auto elec friend who works amongst the fuel refinery and the caustic conditions there. From that I would ONLY buy and fit a ERPS (Electronic Rust Prevention Systems unit)

My paintwork (black!!) looks fantastic and is easy to clean and the bullbar and other chromework looks fantastic without any need to polish the chrome, I just wash it. My Prado is over 10 years old but does not look it!

Anyway if you are interested in them why not look on ebay etc as they are available there (like just about anything is) and wait until you see one at your "right" price. OK its over to the knockers....
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:00

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:00
Just to confirm brand as you asked about - i have a COUPLERTEC ERPS unit.
[no association with them - just a customer]

more info at:

1800 068 088
(07) 5522 0200
www.couplertec.com.au
email: norust@couplertec.com.au

I dont think any manufacturer of any type of rust system - electronic or spray on etc would give you a warranty if you mention anything about the current problems - could be wrong, just my thoughts, cheers....
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:26

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:26
Hi Pradoz
Re :'I did a lot of research including a few lengthy discussions with an auto elec friend who works amongst the fuel refinery and the caustic conditions there.""


If that friend really knew what he was talking about he would understand they use a totally system called "anodic protection"
It relies on an electrolyte for conducting the protective current to any exposed surface.
Save your money wash & polish your car regularly it will last just as long
All the car systems are snake oil systems & CANNOT perform as claimed.

Peter
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:21

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:21
Peter

As i said I am not going to get in a debate over this - just as i wont over engel or waeco, cooper tyres, holden or ford, labour or liberal etc etc etc

HOWEVER JUST 4 YOU PETER ....

When i spoke of the refinery i was talking about the vehicles they drive in there not the fixed plant, equipment or buildings etc etc to which the system you refer to applies. My auto elec friends answers were based on actual evidence and use over lengthy periods of time in that refinery

I will also add that i do not believe there is a system or method to absolutely guarantee no rust ever on cars, but i do believe you can slow it down or minimise it as much as possible - which i believe is what Samuls35 was asking about.

Thats it for me on this, as my original comments were only intended for Samuls35 to help him make his decision for his particular circumstances, and not designed to get in any argument from anyone who "knows everything and has all the information and experience on snake oil systems" as you obviously do

BTW have any cars that have been washed and polished regularly ever developed rust or not lasted as long as they should ??? Oh thats right, the navara referred to with the rust developed it after only 6 months. I wonder how many times did he forget to wash or polish it in those 6 months to end up with rust. Shame he was so careless - hmmmmm (save your answers - to be blunt - as i said before i am not interested in an argument)
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Reply By: Big Woody - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:55

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:55
My 80 series Landcruiser has had a genuine ERPS fitted since it was brand new.
I have the rustiest 80 series I have seen and the entire paintwork is a faded matt finish.
The rust has formed in very odd places too and not where salty water would be likely to sit such as high in the pillars etc.
Make of this what you will but in my opinion a chemical rust prevention system applied professionally is a better investment than an electronic system.

BW
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:03

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:03
Hi
Well it seems that on this thread as on many others .Erps gets the thumbs down by 2 to 5 so far
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:00

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:00
ROTFL....well said oldtrack123......but I thought it was rust(as in metal protection) NOT paint protection!!!!....I do a lot of beach work and I have treated my troopy with "lanolin" or marine grade lanotec inside the doors, underneath, etc, etc, and the surface rust spots I treat with "turtle wax no1' car polish and so far she still looks good ( she gets a coat of wax polish 4-5 times a year)....there is no substitute for" old elbow grease" in taking care of your vehicle.

However in saying that I have had paint protection coat applied to my SV6 as part of the purchase package and it does make a difference BUT only to the paint......any stone chips have to be treated separately before they go rusty...ie touch up paint.

It has been my experience that some vehicles tend rust a lot and this is NOT confined to any particular make or model which has led me to believe that there was a" slip up" in the manufacture/assembly process for that particular vehicle, ie a Monday or Friday vehicle as they say, in which case it would be better to sell it before it gets too bad, because you will not beat it, it will just keep growing worse.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:39

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:39
Hi Rebakk

Yes quite correct it is supposed to be RUST protection.
NOW how does it protect paint, possibly because the owner is very proud of his vehicle ,washs & polishs as soon as it gets dirty & OF COURSE POLISH GOES ON THE RUST SPOTS TO GIVING THEM SOME PROTECTION.

Some of the speil for these gizmos even say bare areas of paint should be touched up as SUCH AREAS CAN SHORT OUT THE SYSYEM
SO what THEY ARE SAYING IS IF YOU KEEP YOUR PAINT IN GOOD CONDITION YOU WILL HAVE NO RUST.

YES DIFINATELY SNAKE OIL.
Now I must rush out & buy ,magnetic fuel improver , Hyclone[works very good on fuel injected systems so we are told], Fire Power[ you know the one that even conned a govt department]& several more when I get enough money to THROW AWAY
Peter
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