testing deep cycle battery

g/day just got a bit of a prob. fridge is flashing error (80lt weaco) low volts. checked battery (100ah cycle) showing 13v. plug fridge into car battery (car not running) all good light goes out fridge running fine. plug back in van low volts again. plugged battery charger on to van light goes out fridge runs fine. left charger on for about hour or so battery showing 15v fridge running fine. unplug charger battery slowly drops to 13v then fridge light comes on. fridge should run till battery drops to 11.5v. plugged fridge into car and ran fridge the fridged ran till battery dropped to 11.8v. so fridge seams fine. so deep cycle is showing 13v. but wont run fridge any ideas ?
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 16:58

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 16:58
Hello smokie,

looking at the 15V figure, it looks like your charger's set too high.
If that's the case then it would have boiled dry your deep cycle battery over time.
The battery can't recover from this.
If you're in the market for a good value deep cycle 95Ah battery, look in my profile.

cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: keith & louise - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:48

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:48
deep cycle batteries need 15V to charge to full capacity
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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 20:33

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 20:33
hi
15v is right if the deep cycle battery is a calcium type one. I have been through this many times on here (with a lot of help you Peter), when i put my charger on the calcium setting my voltage reaches nearly 16v during absorbtion mode.
I cooked a normal n70 starter batt using this setting by mistake once, split the batt and leaked acid in my engine bay- not pretty!

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Follow Up By: smokie - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 21:41

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 21:41
my battery charger has a normal and deep cycle setting i have been using this set up for 4 years now and its the first time i have had trouble
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Reply By: OREJAP - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:05

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:05
Hi Smokie, The battery Gurus will know more about batteries than me but just trying to help....15V!!! holy snappin turtles Batman!!! If your battery (when tested & it's the only way) underload conditions drops away...it is probably damaged & in line for battery heaven.
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Reply By: chisel - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:16

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:16
What's the voltage right at the fridge when the compressor is running?
Sounds like some drop between battery and fridge.
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Follow Up By: smokie - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:45

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:45
volts the same at plug
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Follow Up By: keith & louise - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:50

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:50
did you test the voltage at the plug while the compressor is running?
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Reply By: Hatchetman - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:30

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:30
Hello Smokie, sounds like it could be a wire fault or maybe fuse box problem best is to check the voltage source in the van and see if you can test the amps while fridge is plugged in, maybe its just a corroded socket or terminal you can also use a bit of vaseline around battery terminals so that it doesn't corrode or you might loose a bit of current while running stuff i hope you sort it out good luck.
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Reply By: Evakool - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:01

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:01
Assuming the battery in the van isn't damaged, if it started at 13v then it was already near enough to 100%, an hour on a reasonable charger could have brought it up to 15v, I will leave it to the experts whether that voltage is too high for that particular battery.
Once disconnected from the charger the fridge helped the battery down to 13v before it cut out.

If the battery was badly over charged would it not keep dropping? Or at least drop below 13v?

I would assume that if the cut out on your fridge is 11.5v and your fridge stopped when the battery was at 13v (measured while the compressor was running) then that would indicate you are losing at least 1.5v through the cabling from your battery to the fridge.

What sort of thickness cable are you using?
4 meters minimum 4mm cable, 6 meters minimum 6mm cable, over 6 meters minimum 10mm cable.

Make sure all your plugs are making a solid connection to any sockets.

You normally won't see issues in your wiring if there is no load on the system. With nothing running I would expect to have next to no drop through the wiring.

To test you will need to have the fridge running while checking voltages.
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Follow Up By: smokie - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:47

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:47
wiring is all good i put another battery in the van all works as it should. what iam asking is why my battery is showing 13v but wont run the fridge. how can i test a deep cycle battery i have got a load tester but thats only for normal car batteries
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Follow Up By: Evakool - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:05

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:05
If you want to test just the battery with the fridge, why don't you just bypass all other wiring, run a short as possible cable direct to the fridge (ie a battery clip to cig' socket).
Then connect a voltmeter to the battery and monitor it while you plug the fridge in.
You should see the battery only drop by a few tenths of a volt, maybe 0.3 volts when the fridge starts, if there is a big drop, ie over 0.6 volts then that would indicate that it is probably time to get a new battery.

If there isn't a big drop in voltage when it starts, then leave it connected and see how long it runs for.

If you know how much power it uses per hour then times the amps per hour by how many hours it ran for and you get how many amps it has used before cutting out.
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Follow Up By: smokie - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:28

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:28
done that as i said fridge wont run as it say low volts even tho its showing 13v on muity meter. plugged fridge into car battery and ran all night no worries so fridge is fine van wiring is fine. just cant work out why battery is showing 13v but wont run the fridge
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:20

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:20
The startup current of the fridge is much higher than the run current. If the battery has high internal esistance (ie nackered) then the battery voltage will drop momentarily far enough when the fridge starts to trip the low voltage detection. This will be too quick to see on a multimeter.
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Reply By: PradOz - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:17

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:17
Hi Smokie

Is the cable running to where you have the fridge plugged in the vehicle manufacturers fitted cable? If so I would suggest you look at changing that first as they rarely suit running a fridge due to their smaller size.

I fitted one of theseWAECO RAPS units in my Prado and have never had a problem since with the fridge. They have a Hella fitting which is more secure for the fridge plug, and a cig type plug also, with switching so you determine when you want the fridge to turn off (ie when voltage is down or power is off)

In case you want to check the different Waeco error codes look at REPLY 3 HERE

The RAPS units are not expensive to buy and are easy to fit. You could even fit it like I did so it can be removed if you want if you change vehicles. There is an ExplorOz member (Steve) on here that sells them (and other stuff) if you want his details let me know. (No affiliation other than being a very happy customer and very satisified with his help and advice) They retail around $120 and he can post them out direct to you. I have a back problem (spine op 2008) and I easily fitted mine, although it took me longer than it would have if I fitted it before I hurt my spine. I think this would fix any vehicle manufacturer cable size issue and even Engel make a similar product for owners of engels.

If you want Steves details re the RAPS, post an email address and I will forward his numbers, email address etc, good luck with it, Cheers....
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Reply By: smokie - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 14:38

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 14:38
got a new battery and all working great again looks like the battery is nacked funny it shows 13v on muiltiy meter but even put it into my mates van and same thing happens there. so thanks for the help fellows cheers smokie
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Follow Up By: TrickyD(SA) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 08:50

Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 08:50
I am not sure if you have checked this also but make sure the low medium and high setting is set to low when using the 12 volt system. It takes less power out of your battery. I have a 110 lt waeco and used it fully as a freezer for 6 weeks in WA with solar power backup during the day . the battery in the van is 220 amp hour and handles it great.
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 19:42

Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 19:42
"make sure the low medium and high setting is set to low when using the 12 volt system. It takes less power out of your battery."

Would someone like to confirm/explain this statement.
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Follow Up By: TrickyD(SA) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 23:11

Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 23:11
On the Waeco there is a ssetting for low power medium or high power. If you have everything at the temparature that you need ie everything is already frozen use the low poser setting and it will drag less out of the battery. I belive the high setting is needed if you wish to boost or freeze something quickly
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