Kaymar wheel & can holders
Submitted: Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 16:38
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blue one
I am thinking about buying a Kaymar wheel & can holders to move some stuff outside where it should be.
Does anyone have an opinion of the Kaymar system?
Cheers
Reply By: you eat the bear - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 16:53
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 16:53
Hi there.
Kaymar make excellent gear IMO.
Maybe the low production no's affect their costs a little but I would have thought over $2,000 to carry a spare and a jerry was a fair bit?
Depends what vehicle you have and what you are trying to acheive (for example a long range
tank might be a cheaper option).
STephen
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:41
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:41
They also add a lot of weight to your vehicle.
Cheers Dave..
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:47
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:47
That's what air bags are for.
Buy them from the states and you will save a motza
Cheers
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:55
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:55
Agree with the GVM point you make
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:28
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:28
Blue one. I sent three emails to the states over two weeks, never got a reply so ended up buying Coilrite from a local supplier. Bob
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:35
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:35
Bob
Cancel that and I will give you the drum.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:52
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:52
Already paid and delivered. Bugger.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:03
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:03
Hi blue one,
Air bags are "an assist" Only
As Dave said, "add a lot of weight"
Don't get me wrong, Maybe you need a trailer.
The right coupling, trailer not to big, take a lot of weight out of the vehicle,
Maybe better to tow it, than carry it.
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:11
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:11
Thanks Hairs
Have had the bags for 5 years. Carried the same weight.
Done the channel country, deserts and Tas
It's just a re-distribution of the weight
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 22:08
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 22:08
I've just recently put Polyair Bags in my old girl,
Shoulda done it years ago. I'm always conscious of what weight I place in the back, I put them in to mainly help stability when towing either the camper or the horse float.
Hmmm, Horses for courses I guess.
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Reply By: Will 76 Series - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:55
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 17:55
Blue One.
I have just ordered a Kaymar Jerry Can and Wheel carrier to get some weight off the back door and the convenience. I spoke to quite a few people and did some research. Opposite Lock have a good product but for me the quality of the Kaymar one stood out above the other brands.
I have been comtemplating the cost for about 12 months now but biting the bullet.
Regards Will
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:00
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:00
Good on ya Will
I have been looking at these rear bars for about 3 years, just couldn't come at spending the dollars.
It's only since I reversed into a stump that the rear plastic joke has to go.
I think we are on the right track.
Cheers
Steve
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Reply By: Member - Warwick D (SA) - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:28
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:28
Greetings, I have the Kaymar setup. It add considerable weight to the rear end, to which I have added airbags. it frees up a great deal of storage space, and makes access to spare tyres when you need it most, a lot easier. It is not convenient in that it makes opening the rear doors slower. The unit is
well made, but I think it needs a better tow-pin retaining system, I cannot put a lock on it, or add another retaining device for the pin (others may have a solution). Overall I would buy one again. I hope this add some "current owner" experience for you to consider. WD
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:43
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 18:43
Thankhs
Warwick
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:10
Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:10
I had a Kaymar spare wheel carrier on my 100 series and it was locked on. Easy as.
Drill a hole through the C Section that locates it on the bumper and right through the tongue that sits in it Get a long shackled padlock and no one will pinch it.
Do it with the tongue in it and shut tight to get all in line.
Cost me $54 for an ABUS quality padlock.
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:35
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:35
I have had this exact setup on the back of a 1997 Troopy for 10 years and it is just ace.
I have added a couple of extra 'thingies' to the Jerry can holder (without covering the number plate holder - for the
forum Ooo! Ooo! brigade).
Drilled the bar in couple of
places where and when required.
Jack straight off the bar with a highlift and if necessary a highlift extension fits the bar like it was made for it.
I attach and hang a rock shield off of the recovery points when towing the Camper trailer and/or Caravan.
All in all an extremely strong, versatile bar.
Having said all that I mus reiterate that
mine is attached to my Toyota Troopcarrier which has an extremely robust chassis rail system to attach it to.
Weight is not a problem in my case but could be in yours.
Other than that I wouldn't have anything else.
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:42
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 20:42
Ooops! got so wrapped up in saying how good it is that I forgot to add the following:
The Locking pin - I have used one of those pins with the 'barrel lock' that goes on the end of the pin since since day one.
It is a piece of the proverbial to insert and put the barrel lock on but an absolute P.I.T.A to remove.
This is because it is difficult to see what you are doing.
To solve that problem I just lay on the 'terra firma' underneath the said pin and it all becomes simple.
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:02
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:02
Why would a GU chassis have weight problems???
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:51
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 21:51
Gu's have a tendency to crack chaise rails & spring towers with big weights and stiff
suspension.
Cheers Dave..
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Reply By: SDG - Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 23:01
Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 23:01
My current GQ came with one when I bought it, except instead of the jerry can holder, it has the other wheel. It also came with long range
tank, and drawer system. I'm guessing to compensate for the extra weight would be the reason why it also had heavy duty springs in it.
Next vehicle I get will also have one put on.
BTW. What are the air bags some others talk of putting on the rear?
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 00:25
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 00:25
SDG,
Airbags are fitted between the rear axle and the chassis rails and are pumped up to assist your vehicle in remaining level when the rear axle loading is exceeded by installing a kaymar type wheel carrier, filling the luggage space up with heavy recovery gear and food and an Engel and then whacking a further 250-300 kg download on your towbar with your offroad caravan or camper..
I'm sure that others will disagree with me but that is MY opinion.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 00:27
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 00:27
OOPS
I forgot the beer and spirits.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 01:02
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 01:02
Thanks for that reply Disco. From your description, I do know what your talking about and have looked at them. For some reason I was thinking others were talking about air bags on the rear carriers. Thats what got me lost.
Beer and spirits is the main culprit for extra weight. Could always tie kids to bull bar to distribute weight better I suppose. lol
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Follow Up By: blue one - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:37
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:37
Disco,
I will add a marginal amount of weight, due to I loose the tow bar and gain the Kaymar rear bar. Then there will be a re-distribution of the same gear I take away with me.
Air bags have been on for 5 years and I have travelled fairly extensively on rough outback tracks.
The bags only level the Patrol (about 20mm) and assist
the springs.
Never had a problem to date and the chassis is fine.
Main reasons for the change is to remove two jerry cans from inside and put them on the back. The cans could be either diesel or
water depending on where I am going. I also hit a stump the other week and the plastic joke of a rear bar is not being replaced due to the outrageous price from Nissan. It deflected enough to break the side light assembly which I replaced yesterday. "ouch $230 dollars later.
Can't see to many dramas with what I am doing.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:35
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:35
Hey Disco,
I was just about to pull you up on the lack of grog in your kit, but you corrected yourself quicker enough.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon NT - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 22:04
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 22:04
I have one on the back of my troopy, not sure if I would buy again. Expensive and VERY heavy!!
Well made unit though and it is very handy to jack from. But to just carry an extra tyre? Just carry spare tyre carcasses and tubes. Some people say “ I need one as I travel desert areas and get lots of punchers, had 8 last trip”! Great, so that means they were fixing punctures on the road anyway. I have ended up with the heaviest springs available + air bags!
Your choice.
Cheers Lyndon
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Reply By: crd patrol - Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 22:49
Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 22:49
blue one,
Mate I looked at one of these a while ago and the extra weight of the rear bar decided for me. It was somewhere in the vicinity of 100-115kg without the wheel or jerrycans. The spare was near there anyway but the jerrycans and the added weight of the bar will add something like 140-150kg extra behind the rear axle, and the further you put weight behind the rear axle the more stress it will put onto the chassis. I decided against this as we have a camper with a towball download around 150-200kg depending on where we are going to.
The kaymar units seem to be the better built ones, hence their weight.
Not saying you shouldn't get it, just trying to give you some more info that's all.
crd
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Follow Up By: blue one - Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 08:30
Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 08:30
Thanks for the info. I try to travel as light as possible and after all these years I have paired back to the essentials. I have never liked carrying diesel in the Patrol hence the only option I can see is to keep it down low is on the back. I will carry either diesel or water or both depending where we go.
No camper trailer (Roof top tent) and when in the rough stuff lower tyre pressures and speed.
I will look into the chassis cracking though.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: crd patrol - Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 09:08
Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 at 09:08
A lot of the cracking surrounds the rear spring towers. Some crack the welds and in others the actual tower gives way. There are a couple of companies that do bracing for this, jump onto patrol4x4.com and do a search.
Hope this helps
crd
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