Inverter. Power in = power out?

I am looking at purchasing an inverter to power a laptop.

My laptop runs on 240 Volts and is all that i require the inverter for.

Because VxA=Watts, the input to my laptop transformer is 240 x 1A = 240 Watts and the output is 19 x 2.1 = 39.9 Watts to the laptop.

What is the total power usage?

Is it the 240 Watts + the 39.9 Watts? (Transformer and Laptop)

Or is it just the 240 Watts?

And if so........Does that mean my battery would be required to supply 12V x 20Amps (240 Watts) into the inverter for the required output of 240 Watts? (Power in must equal power out. Not taking the heat loss into account)

Hope i haven't confused you as i almost confused myself!

Any experiences with good or bad inverters?

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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 18:11

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 18:11
As you only want power for your laptop, consider a power supply direct from 12 volt. Most laptops run on from 16 to 19 volts (sounds like your is 19), and the black box between the laptop and the 240 power outlet is a converter. The simple and economical way is to get another black box (power supply) which goes from 12 v direct to the 19 v. I'll leave it to the experts to answer your technical question, but there will be less power loss going from 12 v to 19 v, than by going from 12 v to 240 v then down to 19 v. It is also much easier to use the laptop on the 12 v power supply, than to plug in the inverter, then your laptop converter.

I hope this makes sense. If not, I'm sure someone with better technospeak will come along soon.

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Follow Up By: MrsMolly - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 13:01

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 13:01
I love your explanations, I think I'm starting to get this stuff !!
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Reply By: mike39 - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 18:38

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 18:38
The input to the laptop tran. (240@1a.) is the rated input.
The output is the charge requirement ie, 39.9w.

Your inverter will be about 80% efficient therefore if you require an output of 240v@40w. then the 12v. draw on the battery is going to be 40/12x1.2 = 4a.
Of course your battery will be around 12.7v. fully charged. so this will alter the equation slightly for the better.

Have used this laptop charging system, it is very effective but of course you also need a method of recharging the 12v. battery.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:20

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:20
The most efficiency will be from an inverter that puts out a bit over what you actually need, so 100 Watts is more efficient (on your battery) than a 600 watt inverter.

The most efficient cooling systems are fan cooled.

Pure SineWave is a much purer form of electrical current than all others.

When selecting an inverter also look for the efficiency rating, the higher the better.

However, I would reconsider the use of the inverter and maybe recharge up to 3 other items from it at the same time by using an individually switched power board.
You can recharge 4 products simultaneously and you will use no more battery power for the lot than for just the one item.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:29

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:29
I assume you're reading you numbers from the label on the power supply. It may be rated to deliver 19 volts at 2.1 amps, which tells us that your laptop needs 19V. Although it is rated to deliver 2.1 amps, the laptop will probably use considerably less.

Mother Hen is spot on with her suggestion that you go for a 12V to 19V power supply (from Jaycar and similar places), rather than use an inverter to get from 12V to 240V so that it can then come back down to 19V. This is more efficient and safer, and should cost less than an inverter. (If you do opt for an inverter, make sure it is a sine wave type, or at least modified sine wave.)

I find that my laptop draws less than 2 amps from the 12V battery, even though the power supply is rated as 19V at 3.6 amps.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:47

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:47
Hi John

I haven't even considered what my lap top draws, as i can leave it on all day when camped, and often use it late into the evening, all with no visible drop to the battery levels, but we do have four batteries so the load is spread.

As a further note to Meand2more: If you still want to get an inverter, make sure you try before you buy as laptops can be finicky. Our caravan was fitted with an older style 800 w square wave inverter, so we purchased a 500 w sine wave inverter, bigger than needed for the laptop. My Toshiba Satellite would not run on the 500 w inverter, but i could re-charge the battery when it was turned off. After a problem with the screen, last year i took my daughter's similar age Toshiba Satellite. It ran from the inverter which was a good thing, because the battery would no longer hold a charge for more than ten minutes - no even long enough to start the computer and get on line. When the 500 w inverter died on us, i even ran this Toshiba from the old inverter until i got to a town where i could purchase the power supply (on the recommendation of forum members here). Replacement inverter no longer needed, and much easier to use with the power supply than through the inverter.

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Follow Up By: Racey - Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 08:53

Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010 at 08:53
Hi, I have using a 12v to 19V power pack for a few years and it works fine. Jacar and Altronics carry them in stock. If you go down the 12/240 inverter, I would recommend a pure sine wave unit as many electronic power supplies in appliances don't like modified sine wave units.

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Follow Up By: MrsMolly - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 13:01

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 13:01
I think I am finally starting to understand this. The 'box' powering my laptop says OUTPUT 18.5V-6.5A 120W.
Can anyone point me to a 12V to 19V power supply like Mother Hen suggested. Have seen her answers before, knows her stuff :)
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:21

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:21
Hi MrsMolly

It was only from two members here on EO that i learnt about these power supplies. I was planning to get another inverter after ours died. We had to wait some time before we got to a Jaycar stockist which i found from an internet search of their dealerships. We were travelling through NT and Queensland at the time, and Roma was our first chance. I think i mentioned before the people in the shop asked me to bring the laptop in to make sure we got one that would run it. They had a number of different power supplies, mostly cheaper but would have been inadequate. The one we got to suit was the same one both of these EO members had recommended. So best bet is to find your nearest Jaycar agent and take your computer with you.

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Reply By: Member - Josh (TAS) - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:00

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:00
I agree with Motherhen. You can buy 12volt supplies for laptops. That was all we used for the 3 yrs we spent on the road. a lot cheaper than an inverter too.

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Reply By: Mick O - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:30

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:30
Check out a Kerio adapter at Dick Smith or other electrical places. Purpose built for powering computers. Much better option than a costly pure sine wave inverter. Have been using mine to power a Panasonic toughbook, EePc and a Dell 17" laptop. Covers all three perfectly (one at a time of course).

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Reply By: Meand2more - Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 22:47

Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 22:47
Thanks for all your help.

I will purchase a power supply instead. Seems as though the inverter will be more trouble than what it is worth to charge just my laptop.

I've had a look at the KEIRO at Dick Smith and it looks to be exactly what i am after.

Already, this site has saved me $. Cheers.


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