To use or not to use a trace?

I am heading South WA in a week for a fishing trip with some friends.

We are all amateur fishermen and would like some advice.

We will be targeting Salmon using 2/0 or 3/0 gang hooks with pilchards. (whole)

My question is: "Do we need wire trace for the end of our lines?" (Using 23 Pound Line)

I am confused. Some people say yes, as they have sharp teeth and some say not to bother as it will be too heavy a rig and will not be advantageous.

Any thoughts or comments?

Lee.

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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:34

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:34
Lee,
I live in Busso, catch Salmon from a boat when they're running, so from *experience* will tell you to use a short metal trace as yes they do have very sharp teeth.

They are a good fighting fish but taste ****

Do you have access to a fish finder and maps of the local hotspots ??

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Reply By: get outmore - Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:40

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:40
no no trace required unless theres a few tailor around

they have no teeth also 2/0/3/0 gangs are a bit small for whole pillies

more like 4/0 also take some 1/0 2/0 singles for putting cut up pillies on for smaller fish
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 16:50

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 16:50
a funny thing about fish teeth :-)

LINK: Although they only have small, raspy teeth, we find a 20kg coated mono leader is required to avoid bustoffs.

Once your bait gets under the water, you then have no choice at all as to what type of fish is going to bite your bait, so use a trace and don't take any chance you will loose a good fish.

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Follow Up By: Gnomey - Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 19:40

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 19:40
x2 on Get Outmore's views. No wire needed unless big tailor are involved and even then with the point of the top hook through the eye of the pilly there's a fair bit of shank exposed. Have caught salmon on bait, lures and flies for 30+ years and never been cut off (by a salmon). Busted off, yes, but that's another story.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 19:50

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 19:50
Agree also, very unlikely to get bitten off but a good chance of getting busted off.
I would be using a mono or flurocarbon leader before I even considered a metal trace
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 21:46

Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 21:46
mainy - I garantee ive hauled in more salmon then you from my days on the west coast of the EP to my stamping grounds est of esperance and these days the south and southwest

- a salmon rarely swallows a ganged hook let alone gets the chance to bite it off however Ive used snelled hooks a fair bit and they have an even better catch ratio as they dont get thrown as much while jumping

ive had no worries catching them on small hooks with lighter line

sometimes they might bust you off but not rasp you off

as for losing a good fish - youll probablly scare off more of them using wire

the only things that will bite you off down south are the odd lost tailor or a shark - neither of which fall into the "good' catogory

now the mid west north is a different story and a recent trip to lucky bay had me bitten off a few times
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 04:32

Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 04:32
As the majority have said don't use wire - by all means a mono trace but not wire, or you'll scare off more than you'll catch.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 15:08

Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 15:08
Ah - salmon fishing - what fun ! I was taught that 6kg line on good hardware is the go, mainly to gain distance out to those uncooperative schools. I use somethging like a 10kg lead up to the ganged hooks just in case the fish over-bites, but the main line runs all the way to a swivel when using a lure. With properly adjusted drags, 6kg should do the job. Coupla things I learned over a few years on the west coast of SA chasing schools along those lovely beaches - lures are sometimes all you need to catch a few of these prize fighters (pity about the eating part) - at other times pillies are needed to get them on - but one day, cockles on hastily assembled rig with a budget hook was all they were interested in.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 15:25

Saturday, Sep 18, 2010 at 15:25
Yes, but when fishing from a boat (as I do) or even the shore, you can't pick and choose which fish species will bite whatever lure/bait you have tempted them with, I assume Lee is using a boat and not fishing off the shore because there are much better places to go fishing when shore based than here.

The chances of catching a pinkie or much larger fish are more likely at this time of year as the salmon are not around here now, they were back in April - June.

So getting rigs suitable specifically for salmon will leave you without any fish at all and is a complete waste of time and effort.
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