Transporting gas cylinders

Of course it will never happen LOL

Till it does then It wasnt my fault your Honour.

You would have to be unlucky. If you start worrying to that extent about every little thing that could go wrong you would never get out of bed.

Then again you should probably not go to bed because statistically more people die in bed than anywhere else on earth.

Yeah you should properly secure your load but how long since you checked your 220kg strap. Are there rust stains, nicks or cuts in the strap, is it faded by the sun? What about the hooks and ratchet are they in perfect order?

Duncs

So Duncs, are you going to say to the relatives of those killed "Well, you would have to be unlucky - they were clearly in the wrong place at the wrong time". This is the nature of accidents - people being in the wrong place, etc. The court does not accept this as a valid excuse. It is an avoidable consequence.
Commercial operators have to secure their loads. We need to accept our responsiblities as well. Ignorance of the law is not a defence - let alone your sense of guilt afterwards - the "if only I had ........" conversation.
Regards
Andrew

Point taken.

But of course, "it will never happen to me, your honour" ;-)

Andrew,

I take your point.

In my job I face the very real possibility of an encounter with the Coroner and it is not something I take lightly. I work in what is an inherently dangerous workplace. As a result I constantly conduct risk assessments and plan changes to work practice to avoid that encounter. So far so good.

Now I wonder if you got mine.

The scenario you created is extremely unlikely. I know you were only inventing something to make your point but lets be a little rational. I used to carry my spare on the roof. It was held in place by a 5/16 nut and bolt, as dependable as sunrise. A friend of mine who just happens to be a metalurgist once comented that he was not sure it would hold the spare in case of a high speed accident. How far should I go?

The requirement to secure your load is there to prevent loads falling off under normal circumstances. In the course of my work I have attended the scene of numerous fatal motor vehicle accidents. In most cases where there has been a load secured to the outside of a vehicle that load has come loose. In a couple of cases that has contributed to the damage caused in the accident, never to the fatality. Never have I ever heard of a driver being convicted for losing a load in an accident. I have seen a driver charged when the loss of the load caused the accident.

Duncs

G'day Duncs
Confession - I am playing the devil's advocate a little :-) But there is an element of seriousness in what I am doing :-( We need to think of consequences BEFORE the event. Too many people just give consideration to securing the load in order to stop it rattling, or chafing, or whatever. It is all a matter of risk analysis that includes others, not just self interest
Wrt the spare tyre - I too have a central bolt on to the Rhino - but I also have a tri-strap on to eye bolts as well, as the thought of the spare being launched into space is a bit daunting - and the extra coast is minimal.
Now even if no charges, I still don't want it on my conscience.
Regards
Andrew

fair dinkum you blokes!!!!

you would argue about the colour of the sky sometimes i reckon.

if you cant carry a gas bottle in the car........nor on the outside.........just how the hell do you get the damn thing home?????

*shaking head*.

Are we assuming the roof rack will stay on the vehicle in an accident? So no matter how well you secure anything up there it's at risk of leaving the vehicle.
Lets all calm up a bit hey, This is supposed to be a site for ideas but it always ends up an ego fight.

Lighten up a bit,

I Guess you don't swim in the sea because of the "Risk" of sharks also

The worlds gone mad with the worrying about "what if"

PMK

Been carrying gas bottles secured in the boot for 35 years. You're sitting in a cage doing 100k plus with 80+ litres of fuel on board and a dirty great caravan or camper trailer dragging behind you. What is the problem here? Unbelievable.

Mullyman
Would you travel with petrol in the boot.

Gas is just as dangerous as several people have found out.

Always one who wont observe the law isnt there.

It wont happen to me is alive and well.

Was a time i use to carry a fuel can, and a gas bottle in the back of the car. This was before I got a larger vehicle, roof racks, long range tanks etc. Still carry smaller versions on the bike

Well spoken & very good advise. It was ADVISE that the original poster was asking for. But the do gooders had to come out with everything but advise.

So put your lump of 4x2 away fellahs & girls, AntandNat has just put the question into perspective and offered a bit of fair dinkum advise!!

or ADVICE even.

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I'm offering ADVICE on the difference between the verb "to advise" and the noun "advice".

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Sorry for the typing error. Does every typing error draw such attacks, or is it just from those who don't like what is said? The amount of entries moderated by the FMT interests me - more examples of unecessary entries.

And following the logic of some people, my vehicle LPG tank that is also inside just behind the front passenger would have to be emptied. I have no issue carrying fuel and gas inside a vehicle as long it is in a correct container and properly secured and double checked.

Yes accidents can happen but so they do wherever they stored.

As some one has said - if you cannot carry on these items on the roof or inside where do you carry them.

On my last big 4wd trip I slept just above the 110l of petrol in the main tank while cuddled up to the 90l LPG tank with 100 litres of petrol in jerries stored above lpg tank and did my cooking inside using my gas gear.

Not an issue because all the gear is in top condition and securing stowed against movement with adequate padding to prevent chafing etc.

This is what can go wrong cooking inside a vehicle with gas.

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Cheers Dave..

Dave,

I've seen the same result from someone running their 3-way fridge overnight in the back of their wagon.

Also saw a 3-way fridge explode overnight at Palm Valley a couple of months ago. It was out in the open too - destroyed everything around it.

Can't be too careful with LPG - main problem is that its a fair bit heavier than air so it can pool down low and is explosive.

"Can't be too careful with LPG - main problem is that its a fair bit heavier than air so it can pool down low and is explosive."

That's exactly right, Things might be good 99% of the time but it only has to go wrong once to be a disaster, Using gas inside a vehicle is not worth the risk.

In this fact sheet it says permissible to carry up to 9kg in car, preferably in the boot. I have always carried my gas cylinder in the boot, upright and with packing around it. I thought I was told that was OK (legal) but this thread got me worrying a bit. So it turns out I have been doing it correctly which to me is a relief. I have always tended to store it away from the end of the boot towards the back seat, thinking it would be more cooler with the car roof over it than the just the boot lid.
Nev

Nev,

Its different for tradies as they are covered by Workcover and require ventilated cubicles etc.

The main concern is leakage...

I was always told to ensure that LPG cylinders are plugged as well as turned off. (plastic bungs are ok but I still have some brass plugs from way back).
Kept out of direct sunlight and if possible, placed low for weight distribution.

By the way, I have seen an LPG cylinder put in a fire until it vented, no explosion, unless the pressure relief is damaged or blocked.
Lots of flames....

Opps that didn't work unluess you follow the link.

This one is more appropriate...

Thank you, Tony, for going to the effort of researching this for me.