The last White Dinosaur - and it will be all mine soon !

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:11
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You could see it in the sales staff eyes - how can we offload this
monster before the new model arrives ?
Hopeless fuel consumption, rough ride, only 2 airbags, the stupid thing
even has a solid axle, in the front of all places !

At every feature or lack there-of they would try to keep a forced smile
and I would try to suppress an inner smile.

A genuine sales smile then appeared->
"This is the latest series 7 and has Bluetooth capability and aircon to the rear "
- my inner smile faded, I hadn't considered this, "Would bluetooth interfere with my radios, could I cut out the rear aircon and reseal its pipes"

Such is the world we live in as I signed up to what I was told was the last polar white Nissan Patrol 4800 that there may ever be, they are extinct now with just a few odd coloured ones left in Australia.

I spent a lot of time re-searching for my ideal car but in the end it was
probably always coming down to a choice between Landcrusier 200 diesel and petrol Patrol 4800.

We all have different ideals, and motivations and in this note I won't
try and say that a Cruiser or Patrol is really better rather I'll spend a few lines
analysing the "choice of car process" from someone who spends much of the
time in making logically based engineering decisions.

First thing is to know your real specification, price included.

I would give high marks to a drivers car, capable of 1500km of touring in relative comfort, tackle the hardest tracks when you get there and be able to cruise home quietly and easily at 130km.
It would need a low life cycle cost, and be sleepable inside.
It needed to be proven with maximum reliability and to have a high chance
of being fixed with common tools in the bush.

A pretty tall order actually, but work thru it and narrow down your choices
to 2 or 3 and concentrate on them !

Last time, 9 years ago I choose a manual Patrol 4800 and 1/4 million k's later it had clearly set a high bench mark which my new short list couldn't quite match.

Second - a car is not just what you buy but rather what it can reasonably be
within your budget considering the available aftermarket stuff.
One of my finalists - would need a sub-tank fitted just to get out of the city
and the other couldn't drive over a curb unless in had its underslung spare
put on a carrier - both items were a $1000+ accessory.

Choose your time of purchase - both of my finalists were on genuine specials !

Third - When your ready to commit, make sure you are really ready and decide
your re-action to each possible outcome of the negotiation.
Its easy to get butterflies when you about to commit to tens of thousands of dollars and I find writing down your potential reactions to sales pitches and having that in front of you helps.
Even in this latest case - I got the ring ring , hello Robin - good news
my manager oked all your requests and we still got down to $xx865.
I just need to take a credit card deposit over phone, whats your details.
REWIND - Thats $865 more , go away , and also I will only put down a deposit
sitting in front of you after reading the contract !

The Cars - I gave full marks to the fact that Landcruiser had more range and a 1/3rd lower fuel use, the Crusier was also faster and quieter - but the Patrol is well up there and could meet my specs. Strength, low weight, size, stability, fixability, and low tech for the bush were all on the Patrols side.
But I couldn't buy a Cruiser without KDSS - and a Patrol needs lockers to match it.

Overall - to me the vehicles added up to about equal overall performance.

Hence for me a price premium of $20,000 was worth paying for the KDSS T/D Cruiser as you would recover much of this on re-sale.
A quick internet based full price search put the Crusier at $89000 (petrol @ $74000) whereas the Patrol began at $59000 - a massive $30,000 difference.
After much negotiation - across many outlets - the Cruiser came down a bit but as you moved below $85000 resistance got harder - eventually in an effort to get rid of them no doubt, the Nissan moved to a genuinely $34,000 lower price, geez even the interest on that each year would pay for the
extra $1600 the fuel would cost each year.

It really was a no brainer for my requirements.

So here we are in 2010, nine years later, sticking to a "fit for intended use process" has lead me to acquire much the same car as then but at a dollar cost of $5000 less than then, and massively less in real terms.

What a crazy world !
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:10

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:10
Good on ya Robin, i would hate to see a fellow petty owner convert to a diseasel...lol

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:14

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:14
Hi Bundy

I would have though, if the figures added up - but I reckon I'll now be sniffing petrol for a few more years.
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:15

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:15
Sheeeeeeshhhh Robin .....

What a stooopid way to buy a vehicle ????

You're supposed to rip in on an impulse,

Be overawed by the number of snakebites you can endure or how many coconuts fit on the backseat,

Say "yes please" to all the ridiculous, shiny, unnescessary bits offered at over-inflated prices,

and drive away content ...... secure in the knowledge you just bought the best vehicle to do anything in ....... pfffttttt




I actually make this my number one consideration when shopping around

" Second - a car is not just what you buy but rather what it can reasonably be
within your budget considering the available aftermarket stuff. "


Enjoy the new buggy.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:15

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:15
Don't you just love those adds Oz - but I reckon there's a few few snakes still out there just dressed in different clothes.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:21

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:21
Well done Robin....I always argued that more you pay for a diesel and additional service costs etc (change oil @ 5000 k's...which I do and some people even change the filter as well) would BUY a lot of fuel.......enjoy.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:18

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:18
Hi Redbakk

I didn't fluff up those figures either , in fact they are angled towards the cruiser.

I mean seriously , you could buy a base model diesel twin cab for the $35,000 real difference I was actually quoted.
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Reply By: Mark S (cns) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:52

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:52
Good one Robin!
Was wondering if you were going to get one of the last of these!
Gee, you'll have flash painted front bumpers, flares & alloy side steps to 'break in' now!
there's a white one here , could be the same one, or maybe you have it's twin?!

cheers
Mark
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:44

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 18:44
Hi Mark

Thats the car - look at the price - how they took 10 grand off it I will never know - or maybe I will when I get it !

If its a twin , its a twin sister cause it does look a little girly with all those cute skirts.

I was intrigued by statement/coincidence that I got the last one - and not sure but I think it works like this - I'm near Nissan and cars are in a compound like a bond store - possibly import duty / tax haven't been paid and Nissan hence counts them as stock - when they go out to dealers they go ex-stock , so there could be few in dealers yards around the country.

Has to be something like this because I can see the car - but can't have it for 10 days while paperwork goes through, maybe someone else could elaborate !
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 21:19

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 21:19
Interesting Robin, at first thought, maybe big discount to move it before end of 3rd qtr, but the 10 day delay means Oct delivery? Then the ad says immediate delivery (albiet locally...) who really cares with a deal like that!
We did this with a new subaru liberty in June 07 - got a similar % discount, but it had to be off their yard before June 30th
You may even get a bigger discount if they keep the 'ramp-over restricting' side steps!!!
It has plates on it so the dealer has it rego'd in their name, (hence the 'demo' tag, even though it hasn't been driven yet?) so paperwork of tranferring to you as opposed to buying unreg new plates reg'd to you straight up?
Who knows? who cares? save $35k on a cruiser - that's a few tankers of petrol!
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:56

Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:56
Hi Mark

Just to clarify - mine hasn't been registered yet , pretty sure its in a bond store , and for some reason (unsaid) it needs to be there till 1 october.
Whereas - if its theres like in your case they (the dealer) usually want them out the door in a hurry !

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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 14:37

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 14:37
Robin

Dear oh dear,,,, my troopy fits your requirements and is 15 yeares old with less than 250000.

Would you consider a swap??????LOL

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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 15:52

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 15:52
BooBoo
He'd roll it, whilst traversing a track that the patrol eats......:)
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 17:34

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 17:34
Solid axle!!!! IN THE FRONT!!!! How does that work???? ;) Michael
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 20:54

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 20:54
Its an antique Michael - maybe you and I should stock up on them !
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 22:26

Thursday, Sep 23, 2010 at 22:26
Well done Robin, you will be happy with it. At least you get to drive yours very soon, its been over 2 months for me now and still another 4 to go before mine comes out of storage :(

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:39

Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:39
Thanks Captain - and also for help in the past , car wise a hard choice , but the ridiculous current price difference was just to much to bear.

4 months more - that means you won't have it for Xmas - it can be hard waiting.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 05:28

Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 05:28
Robin
A good read mate
Good old fashioned common logic applied

Cheers
Bucky
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