A sign at Cameron Corner has me puzzled.
Submitted: Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 16:32
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Member - Boo Boo (NSW)
It appears to be written by the National Parks people and gives some basic things you need to do when driving in the outback, like take
water and don't drive at night.
It also says lower you lower your tyre pressure when on sand and increase the pressure when on gravel.
Can anyone confirm that I have read the
sign correctly and if so is it right?
I thought you lowered the pressure a bit when on gravel/unsealed roads.
Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 16:38
Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 16:38
Classic case of telling part of the story no ? Sand (lowest) - gravel (median) - sealed (highest) seems the general idea on tyre pressures - coupled with 'taking it very easy when required', usually preserves tyre life.
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Reply By: Andrew & Jen - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 16:48
Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 16:48
Hullo BooBoo
Can you remember the actual wording?
It may mean drop your tyre pressures to (say) 18psi in sand and then remember to reinflate them to (say) 24 --> 28 psi on gravel.
Tyre pressure on gravel is always a point for discussion - function of weight, speed, tyre make/strength, rock size and grading, etc.
If I decide to drop pressures to 28 because of the surface conditions, including severe corrugations, I correspondingly drop my speed to <80.
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Terry W (ACT) - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 18:20
Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 18:20
I recall seeing the same
sign. There is lots of conflicting advice on tyre pressures for outback roads, and I suspect that many confuse what is more comfortable with what is less likely to be damaged. Softer pressures will definitely be more comfortable on corrugations, but in my experience will also make you more susceptible to sidewall damage on rocky bits or punctures generally. I don't know for certain what the truth is, but I don't drop pressures on a solid surface whether it is black top or gravel, and I have never yet (touching wood) had a puncture or sidewall damage in the bush in many years of driving with a whole range of tyre types. Just my experience.
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Follow Up By: Member - Julie & John (VIC) - Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 08:01
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 08:01
Gday...
I have always dropped pressures on sand, but like Terry W I usually travel on sealed and dirt roads at the same pressures. However, I rarely travel at or above 80kph on dirt anyway ... and in the hilly country (mountains), usually select low range as soon as it gets into 'real' bush, that way I am using 3rd,4th and 5th low range instead of 1st, 2nd and 3rd highrange ... I just think it spreads the load on gearbox, and I am ready for anything .... just a silly thing I picked up years ago from driving 'old' fourbees. Maybe it's just not being able to teach an old dog new tricks ;-)
Cheers
Julie & John
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 26, 2010 at 18:59
Sunday, Sep 26, 2010 at 18:59
Sorry people, but I can't remember the exact wording.
Perhaps someone travelling through there in the ner future might be able to tell us.
Thanks everyone for the input.
Keep safe.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 08:44
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 08:44
Tire pressures ? Ask what the locals run , ask yourself why is it that mining company vehicles out Innaminka way have warning stickers on the dashboard warning of decreasing tire pressure unless in soft sand ,,,, the old tale of "easier to pierce a fully inflated balloon than a soft one" is a load of crock , the extra heat generated by running tires at low pressure softens the bulged sidewall making for easier staking and sharp rock damage.
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 09:51
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 09:51
My take on what you have said re side wall bulge is this.
If its too hot, your driving too fast for the pressure in the tyre and possible conditions.
I would choose lower pressures on gravel, or drive quite a bit slower on high pressure, but I feel the best is lower pressures and lower speed.
Safer, easier on the car and passengers, and the road.
Anyway you go out there to see it all, so slow down so you can :)
T
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:02
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:02
trainslux , each to their own , tire makers in conjunction with car makers spend godzillion $$$ on research to get the correct compound , tread design and CORRECT pressure for tire life - ride comfort and correct integration of
suspension components , Basic fact is that a tire run at less than factory recomended pressure WILL run hotter leading to easier sidewall damage.
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Reply By: clare53 - Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 15:36
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 15:36
One lowers the tyre pressure on sand to increase surface area and reduce the risk of becoming bogged in loose dry sand. Increase the pressure on gravel to reduce the risk of putting a rock through the soft walls...
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Sunday, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:33
Sunday, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:33
Boo Boo..
It's all in the wording isn't it?? And then it's all in the comprehension of what the "author" was trying to convey! LOL...
We have recently returned from a 7 week trip out there. Saw the
sign at Cameron Cnr that you speak of! I can understand how it can be interpreted in the way you have written.
My experience, FWIW, is this. Our trip included the Stzelecki Track, the Oodnaddatta Track, parts of the
Birdsville Track, the
Mereenie Loop, the Finke Rd,
Simpson Desert,
Birdsville >
Windorah then home.
On sand in
the desert, towing the Tvan, I ran with 16psi all round. Kept the speed REALLY low at this pressure, max about 50-60 k's. On the gravel roads, (the Tracks) I ran 26psi all round, max speed about 80 k's. I checked the tyres for heat many times, and never was there any cause for concern. Our travelling partners have an 80 series with 33" muds as we do, and he ran the same pressures at the same time that we did and we checked his tyres as
well, with the same results!
We had one blown tyre, and the tyre guy was perplexed when he saw it. It was shredded! He deduced that the tyre was "sunburnt" from spending a couple of years on the rear wheel carrier without a cover. Not sure if I totally agree with him, but I have asked others since and have been told that it can and does happen.
I'm not trying to tell anyone that this is the ONLY pressures to use in these situations, merely that this is what works for me! If someone out there disagrees, don't bother replying. ;-))
Cheers
Brian
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