update on stolen camper trailer and insurance cover update
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 28, 2010 at 22:12
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Patt31
Hello All,
Thought id post an update on the progress of our search for our stolen camper trailer, still no
sign of it.
We put a claim in with the insurance comany, and this being the reason me posting this update.
They knocked our claim back, which I then telephoned the insurance obundsman, who advised that the insurance company was correct. We were not insured even though we had open air insurance cover, because it was a partialy built camper trailer it was classed as a caravan/trailer and as such has to be registered and have its own insurance.
So for all you back yard builders like us. be warned, check with your insurance company because you may find that you will not be covered in the event of fire/theft etc of your project that you are building.
I do need to add that our insurance company has agreed to give us an exgratia payment for being such good long term clients, but it in no way covers our out of pocket expenses, but at least it is something and will partially cover the cost of putting a big fence across the front of our property and 2 big gates. No mongrel will get in again.
Cheers,
Pat
Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 28, 2010 at 22:31
Tuesday, Sep 28, 2010 at 22:31
G`day Pat,
It`s a similar story to my fishing mates, he had two outboard motors stolen from his back yard, one was on a boat, the other inside a shed.
The insurance would not pay for the one on the boat because it was attached to the boat and should have been covered by boat insurance.
The one in the shed was covered and they paid up for this one.
Ever since this occurred I have always removed my outboard from my boat and stored it in the shed on a trolley.
Good luck with recovering your camper trailer.
Scrubby.
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Reply By: Sailinghampster - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 07:07
Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 07:07
Hi Pat,
Was your trailer/camper Capable of being registered? i.e. Ready for the road. If not you may still have a winnable argument.
Good luck
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Follow Up By: Patt31 - Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 18:48
Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 18:48
Hi Sailinghampster,
No the camper trailer was not registerable, was not to that stage yet, I told the ombudsman this and they said doesnt matter, if it is a trailer/camper/caravan/bike in any form being that partially builit or fully built it is classed as a complete unit for insurance purposes, so therefore as ours was 3/4 finished it had to be registered and insured seperately, which you cant do, so ground hog day......... no insurance, no money back on everything we put in to it, hate to think of all the man hours he had put in to it too.
Cheers,
Pat
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Reply By: Tim - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:14
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:14
Firstly, I'm sorry to hear that some low life in society has decided they need your project more then you.
I think its a bit interesting that the insurance company has offered you an exgratia payment. Insurance companies are never keen to give away money unless they have to. I find it difficult to comprehend why they would knock back a claim but give you some money anyway?
I think I'd keep fighting if it was me.
I could understand if it was ready to register then they could knock it back as it would then be classed as a vehicle. What you intend on doing with the object should have nothing to do with it.
Tim
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Follow Up By: Patt31 - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 20:57
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 20:57
hi, we are going to appeal the decission and we have to go through the internal dispute process first. Need a good lawyer who would be willing to give an opinion on what can be classed as a complete camper trailer and what our camper trailer could be classed at considering it was only partially built.
wish us luck.......
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Reply By: Tim - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 23:24
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 23:24
I think your best way to tackle it is to deny it was a trailer which would then put it under contents isurance. Obviously a solictor will have their plan of attack as
well but just a suggestion.
A "trailer" as defined by NSW traffic legislation is
trailer means a vehicle that:
(a) is built to be towed, or is towed, by a motor vehicle, and
(b) is not capable of being propelled in the course of normal use on roads without being towed by a motor vehicle,
whether or not its movement is aided by some other power source, but does not include:
(c) a motor vehicle being towed, or
(d) anything declared by the regulations to be excluded from this definition.
And "vehicle" means
vehicle means:
(a) any description of vehicle on
wheels (including a light rail vehicle) but not including any other vehicle used on a railway or tramway, or
(b) any other vehicle prescribed by the regulations.
So from those definitions you have 2 points to argue in order to prove it wasn't actually a trailer. Firstly it was not "built" rather is was being built and not completed at the time of the theft. The second point is to be a vehicle, it must have
wheels..... Depending on what you told the insurance company already..... is it possible it didn't have
wheels on and the crooks put them on before towing it away???? Or in the absence of a tow hitch I would say it can't be defined as a trailer as its not "capable of being propelled".
Anyway, good luck!
Tim
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