Jackaroo 2001 3lt diesel won't start when hot
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 13:21
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MikeJack
Hi everyone I need help. I have just bought a 2001 Jack with the famous 3ltr diesel. it won't start when hot wait about 30 minutes it starts. roll starts easy don't have to wait. I think it might be something like a sensor telling the computer something( like don't start you bugger). I have tried changing oil with penrite diesel 5 and filters; no luck. there was a member who had the same problem MikeJroo but never found out if he got his fixed. if you are around could you help or any one else. i would be grateful as i can't afford to take Jack to Holden.
Reply By: OREJAP - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 15:05
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 15:05
I took a 2003 Jackaroo T/D to a Holden dealer & they put the wrong oil in it LOL!!! Regarding your probem, you may already know this hence the oil change but this motor relies on oil circulation to start so maybe that or injectors (pump) not doing their job. Find a top Izuzu mechanic through the Net.
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Reply By: MikeJack - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:10
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:10
thanks for the input OREJAP. I have just replace the diesel filter which took a chisel to get off. I don't think it's been replace for a while, it had rust around the filter and thread, but I don't think it's that. although it has been serviced by holden since new.I know about the oil and have changed it but still have same problem. if it was the diesel pump I don't think it would run at all or rough. looks like people have had this problem but I just can't find the answer.I did have a Jeep with silly problems that no one knew exactly how to fix, now I have one with Jack; maybe it's me! help ! help !
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:32
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:32
search/post your problem on this site http://
forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?/forum/18-jackaroo-frontera-rodeo-and-colorado-owners-group/
or google "jackaroo forum" and check out anyting to do with 4Jx1 motors
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Reply By: Tim - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:01
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:01
I used to have one of these jacks, but the problems did it for me, once running there was no dramas and I thought it went really
well for a 3L TD but it did my head in so now I have a TOJO.
I never found holden to be of much assistance, the guys on here had more ideas then the mechanics.
Anyway, all the best with it.
Tim
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Reply By: outsider - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:44
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 19:44
Might be worth checking the loom plug (big plug next to the dipstick)
Came home this arvo to the missus telling me the engine check light was on.
I went out to have a look but it would not start at all.... didn't even sound like it was gonna fire.
Have had the loom replaced previously due to oil contamination in the plug so I thought it was worth having a look. separating the plug showed a fair bit of oil (dunno how it gets in there)
sprayed it out with some wd40 and blew it dry with air, plugged it back in and it started first pop.
engine check light is still on, but only while idling and when backing off the gas.
Took it for a drive and flogged the living crap out it and it seems better than ever to me.
Have had ours for about 6 years and it has been a great vehicle.
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Follow Up By: MikeJack - Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 20:02
Thursday, Sep 30, 2010 at 20:02
I did clean the plug I think it gets oil from the dipstick tube a bit of pressure coming out. I moved
mine away from there. I think
mine is an oil pressure issue, to low a pressure and won't start up . can any one tell me where the oil pressure pump is and where the oil pressure sensor is? cheers
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Reply By: Malleerv - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 07:32
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 07:32
My GU 2.8TD Patrol developed the same problem. When cold or sitting for a while it would start no problems. Stop it after a 30min run and it would not start straight away. Wife got sick of having to wait 20-30min for it to cool down enough.
After speaking with an Injection specialist I pulled off the pump and sent it in for a rebuild. Only cost $1000 and has never looked back. They said to change the fuel filter every 20,000km to stop anything getting into the pump as the newer pumps seem to wear from impurities and bypass fuel easier than older type pumps.
Cheers RV
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Follow Up By: MikeJack - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:58
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:58
thanks RV,I was thinking it might be the low pressure oil pump behind the gearbox or the diesel pump. If it is the diesel pump wouldn't it do it hot or cold, why only went it's hot? I just don't know
where to start?Yesterday it wouldn't start after a short run, so I kept cranking with the 2 batteries and when the oil pressure reached about 4 on gauge she started. That's why I think it's the oil pressure. So when the oil is hot it can't get the pressure up and the sensor tells the computer not to start.When I roll start it it's all by passed and she starts straight away.
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 09:13
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 09:13
Just thinking outside the square, have you tried pouring cold
water over the injector pump? If its does then 'cooling down' of the pump is the issue. If its not then that only leaves the oil pressure...
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Follow Up By: Malleerv - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 13:29
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 13:29
The blokes that fixed my pump said when the engine and injector pump was hot the fuel in the pump was also heated an thus much thinner and could bypass internally in the distributor of the pump.
It sure worked for my Patrol and like I said it now starts every time hot or cold and the pump is the only thing that is different.
Try the cold
water on the pump, sound like a good idea Stormy!
Cheers RV
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Reply By: walruz - Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 22:12
Friday, Oct 01, 2010 at 22:12
Hi there, here is a treasure trove of information on the fabled 3.0l motor. The good, the bad, and the ugly...
www.itocuk.co.uk/
forum
Cheers
Wal
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Reply By: teak11 - Sunday, Oct 03, 2010 at 10:16
Sunday, Oct 03, 2010 at 10:16
G'Day Mike Jack
Find a Mechanic with an OBD11 Scanner .He should be able to help
Low or no Oil Pressure will bring up (CHECK ENGINE LIGHT).
Oil Is critical must be 5W-30 & MUST be Synthetic.
I have 2003 Model & use only Nulon 5W-30
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Follow Up By: MikeJack - Sunday, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:03
Sunday, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:03
thanks teak11
the check engine light is not on. I did use Penrite diesel 5 which is 5W-30 Synthetic . I am surprised that one else has had this problem and found the answer. I have looked all over the net and read forums but no one came back with an answer to the problem. the problem is that most mechanics don't do diesel and they know nothing about these motors
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Reply By: teak11 - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:57
Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:57
G'Day Mike Jack
Another thing I found was if you change the fuel filter you must make sure you purge all the air from the filter housing.
The only way I found to do this successfully was to put the front of the car uphill (fairly steep uphill )then bleed. It is not the easiest job mainly because the manual pump has only one valve.
Good Luck
teak11
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Follow Up By: MikeJack - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:05
Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:05
cheers teak11
I will try that but I had the same problem before i changed the filter. I just want to thank every one that has been trying to help me. anything is worth a try. regards Mike Jack
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Reply By: MikeJack - Thursday, Oct 14, 2010 at 20:33
Thursday, Oct 14, 2010 at 20:33
thank you all for trying to help, but Jack still not
well. Also he's not happy cause he wants to go and play but I can't take him jet. If any one knows a good Mechanic around the
Melbourne area. cheers MikeJack
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