Rodeo 3ltr Common Rail - What good are modern Computer Diagnostics?

Submitted: Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 17:28
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When temporarily detained on a mud clay pan in the Simpson, the Rodeo decided to shutdown to a max of 2000rmm and show me the engine warning light. After turning it off and on again and a bit of throttle pumping it gained full revs but left the engine light on, it remained on most of the day before going off and have not seen it since.

Yesterday fuel warning light came on with the picture that maybe a water problem had arisen. It would come on when you put the motor under load and go off after you started coasting.

Book says to take it into Holden for Diagnostics.

Well diagnostics came back with zero and mechanic who took it for a run said he found nothing, also no water in the fuel they say.

Pay my money and drive home, fuel light comes on under load all the way?

One has to ask what good is the computer? Why does it not show this instances?

Has anyone a solution? I see no reason to take it back to Holden.

Regards Tony
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 17:42

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 17:42
Tony.
The diagnostic system relies on data from the sensors around the vehicle, if the wiring or connectors get water or mud in them the readings can be wrong. I suggest you get under and have a look for water in any plugs or wiring, if you find any clean the component and give it a blast of WD40, the plug under the fuel filter would be my first spot to check. Eric
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 17:52

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 17:52
Ta Eric - Have been under and poking about, was thinking of undoing all the connections and doing just that - Cheers :-)
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Follow Up By: Nev (TAS) - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 18:04

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 18:04
Hi Tony,
put your question up on this site. They have helped me out a few times.

Site Link

Nev
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:40

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:40
Ta Nev - Have done - I re-read the owners manual and the fuel warning lamp means that you should replace the fuel filter immediately?

Why would Holden not do this?

Very strange indeed, I'm off to repco today and I will do what they should have :-)
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Reply By: mike39 - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:38

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:38
Tony.
Sadly, these days you get only what the manufacturer thinks what you should have, not what you want.

This year I went fishing in the gulf with a mate who has a 2yr. old Rodeo trayback. My impression (my turn to drive) was yes, towing the boat, plenty of gear and fuel on board it went very well on the bitumen.

Come to the road E of Borroloola it was a fair pig of a thing, nothing off boost then along comes the turbo and wheelspin everywhere.
Then the fun starts, lights on the dash, engine goes off song, wont go into 4wd. get into 4wd after stalling in the first river crossing, then wont disengage 4wd. Push buttons and lights on the dash, would you believe.

After a very annoying bogging session (old 60 series cruised through) the mate said if it is in 4wd, then its going to stay there.
And it stayed in 4wd until we got back to the Barkly homestead. ( several 100k. of bitumen!)

These things are supposed to be agriculturally orientated and user friendly as a minimum. Not running back and forth to the dealer.
mike
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:49

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:49
Mike - Sorry you had a bad time with a RODEO :-)

I've done 90k in mine and apart from the Engine light once in the Simpson and the Fuel light now the car has not missed a beat.

I have owned and driven a large variety of 4x4s and the RODEO performs as good as any of them (I have Mods though)

The push button 4x4 must be operated as per the owners manual. At first I thought the same as you, but once you get the hang of it there is no issue.

When putting into 4 low you must be stopped and out of gear. After you 4x4 it is like any other, sometimes you just have to reverse to get it out. Depends if you have locked up the gears a bit :-)

I have also found if you press the button and the light flashed rapidly, it more than likely will not go into gear, I just push the button again, the flashes slow down and the solenoid drops in.

Never had the turbo issue, I find it very responsive in all situations.

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 07:51

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 07:51
Thanks for that bit of info Tony.
I honestly think my mate has never even opened the handbook so perhaps I have been a trifle harsh on the vehicle.
His previous was an old Hilux and he seemed (like me, who has an old Cruiser) confused by the way it had to be managed.
Will pass on your comments re 4wd engagement.
Cheers mike
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Reply By: Member - John D, Wandong (Vic) - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:39

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:39
Hi Tony, I have a 2005 Rodeo TD and had a similar problem on my last trip. After a while cruising at 100kmh the "Check Engine" light would come on, While the light was on I could not accelerate above 100kmh so I eased off to 95kmh & after about 30 seconds the engine light went off...but everytime I got to 100 again the light would come on.

I took it to Longreach Holden and they checked it out and said it was the EGR Valve, they replaced it for me at a cost of $375 and I have had no problems with it since (I thought the price was reasonable seeing as we were only three days into a 12,750 km trip).

They said with the old valve not working properly there was a build up of exhaust gasses that the valve could not handle at 100 kmh, when I slowed down the gasses were processed properly.

Regards, John
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:54

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:54
John - Thanks for that, I will put that into the must remember hint box :-)

The Engine light has only come on that one time so far, I though that this would have been logged in the computer memory - It was not?

I re-read the owners manual and the fuel light meant that they should have replaced the fuel filter immediately.

Funny the dealer did not do this???

Glad you got your full trip in :-)
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 09:52

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 09:52
John - Just wondering if you have thought about blocking off the EGR altogether? There's a lot of discussion on the various forums Patrol4x4, LCOOL, Navara, Pradopoint etc about doing this. It seems that blocking the EGR will also prevent soot building up in the inlet side of things. I intend reading a bit more before doing this to my D40 but will probably end up doing so once out of warranty.

Some reading at these links (there are heaps more):
Patrol 4x4
Toyota Owners
Navara
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Follow Up By: Member - John D, Wandong (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 16:05

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 16:05
Thanks Patrol22, a diesel mechanic in Melbourne suggested that he block off the hose leading to the EGR valve for me for the reasons that you suggested (which he did) by placing a ball bearing in the hose, at that time he was checking out the reason for the engine light coming on periodically and staying on when trying to start the vehicle, had to turn the ignition key off & on again until the light went out before the car would start.

The hose to the EGR valve was actually still blocked when I took it in have a new EGR vale fitted in Longreach, I must have been a little worried about the blocked hose as I told the Holden mechanic to remove the ball bearing for me.

As I said earlier, the car has been running great since...so it appears that the engine light was just warning me about the faulty EGR valve, and now that it is fixed the computer is happy and the car might still have run ok even if I had left the ball bearing in.

Cheers, John
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:55

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 19:55
I've been closely following Rodeos and by all accounts some have sworn by replacing the wiring to the 4x4 buttons with a heavier gauge. 3rd hand stuff but there you go. not that this is an answer to ERG valves but a possible solution to other issues.
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:58

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:58
Porl - Yes the 4x4 issue comes up quite a bit. (Not operating correctly)

What I have found is that most of the issues are operator related. You must do as the manual says to get the 4x4 system operating as it should. After that its getting to know the finer points of your own car.

I had issues until I read the owners manual and committed to memory the sequence of operation - Not an issue now :-)

Cheers Tony
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