Tag Along Tour

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 16:36
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Last Friday (01/09) we were pottering northbound along the road between Hebel and Dirranbandi in Qld in our tray back Cruiser, with an old 20 ft van behind. This rig is not the fastest on the road, and that part of the “highway” is not the best so we were not in any hurry. That is to say we were driving to conditions as we saw them.

A convoy of 27 tag along vehicles caught up with us. There was a variety of vehicles, some without trailers, some with, at least one poptop and one big unit (probably Cruiser wagon and at least a 20 footer van).

Once I realised that it was a convoy, I scanned them up on the UHF and listened in.

We were not impressed with the manners displayed by this crew:
1. I felt that the leader or lead vehicle should have made contact with us on Ch 40 (we have a sign on the van) to let us know that there were 27 vehicles in the convoy. Then I could have decided whether to put up with that many overtaking us or pull up and let them go by.
2. There were some comments about our “old trayback” or somesuch, making heavy going of it. We took these remarks to be disparaging and uncalled for.
3. One person commented that they were “Stuck behind the van”. They were not stuck behind the van: they were just temporarily delayed by it, as I was quite happy to let them by when it was safe to do so.
4. At one stage, someone called to say that the road ahead was clear for a couple of kilometres, thereby encouraging overtaking on a corner or otherwise blind. To their credit, that offer was not taken up by cars behind us.

The convoy was in a far bigger hurry than us, but they were not masters of that domain simply because of that or their number. We were equally entitled to be on that road at that time and to be travelling at the pace that suited us. Their needs were no more important than ours and a little bit of courtesy on their part would have been appropriate.

A local in Dirranbandi agreed about the manners. He said that they did not wave back to him as they went past.

The vehicles in the convoy had a number of stickers on the side, but then most prominent one was “Tillys”. I could not find “Tillys Tag Along Tours” on the net so that didn’t help.

If you were in that convoy last Friday, your recollections may well be different, but that is how it struck us.

Thank you for allowing me to have a rant.
Alister Wells.


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Reply By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 16:47

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 16:47
Alister

i know what your saying here.we had trouble with a certain 4wd club from the state above us on one of my gatherings a couple of years ago.short story was they didn't do the right thing this day and we corrected them on it and they then proceeded to abuse us via the uhf (they had kids in their 4wd's as we also did) and the language was disgraceful.

Moral to this story.........don't flap ya gums over the radio if you have YOUR GROUPS NAME splattered over your windscreen!!!

hope your travels are a little better from now one,cheers.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:46

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:46
Ther is no excuse for bad language over the UHF, or any other frequency for that matter.
Unfortunately it means a lot of people have to leave their radios off.
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Reply By: Gramps - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:12

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:12
27 vehicles !!!! Cripes, sounds more like a 4wd club outing than a tag along group.

Tag Alongs seem, in my experience, to limit their groups to around 10 or 12 vehicles. Can you imagine trying to look after 27 vehicles worth of different personalities for any length of time ???
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 20:42

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 20:42
I would say the opposite. The biggest groups I've seen have been paid tagalongs - I remember 22 vehicles doing the Hay River track - they need the big numbers for it to be profitable.

The 4wd clubs I know all have a recommended convoy limit of 10 vehicles. Sometimes they have bigger groups but usually split into two convoys to make it manageable and in consideration for other road users. But I'm sure there are exceptions.
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:13

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:13
Alister,

I am sure that in a few short weeks time you and your van will be the least of the travelling publics worry. One of the Largest grain crops in history is due to start being harvested soon.

If you get time head on up to Sunny Chinchilla and say G'Day :)

The roads are lumpy and bumpy most of the way though ;)

Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Joe n Mel - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 23:06

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 23:06
that is IF the rain stops ......
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:35

Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:35
Yeah good point :)

We had some good rain last night for a change :)

124 points, the wheat needs ro more rain now just dry sunny days

I am not complaining about the rain though LOL


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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:13

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 17:13
Hi Big A,

I can sympathise with you but as you said you were not in a hurry so I am wondering why you did not let them pass by pulling over.
I use the same philosophy that my father used many years ago and that is if there are more than 3 vehicles behind me I ease back and pull off the road at the first chance. Especially if they are trucks etc. It's just a courtesy thing and better still, it takes the pressure off me.

I agree that there are some cowboys out there though.

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Follow Up By: pickle - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:02

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:02
I thought it might have been the right thing to do by pulling over and let them pass. More so if you are listening to them on the radio and some maybe willing to put them selves at risk to pass you. Comment 4 is the one that gets up my nose. Road ahead was clear for a couple of klms, surely if it was not safe to fully pull over you could let them know on the radio that you were slowing and pulling to the left to let them pass. Courtesy works both ways.
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Follow Up By: Roach"ee" - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 22:43

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 22:43
The people I travel with from time to time quite often use the method outlined in Item 4 of the original post. It's quite safe if the leading vehicles have confirmed that there are no oncoming vehicles. This also works when dust is a factor that may otherwise prevent an overtaking manouvre.

I can see Alistair's point of view, but the lead vehicle driver may have thought it would be rude to ask you to pull over to let him and his convoy pass.....for all he/she knew, you may have let forth with a mouthful of abuse if you were asked to pull over.

All the same, it would have been nice if he/she had of just informed you of the length; given that you have gone to the effort of having Ch 40 showing on the back of your van.

I must say though, that on several occasions I have tried to contact a caravaner by radio (when I can see they have their preferred channel on the back of their van), only to find that they ignore me....presumably they don't have the radio switched on).

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 17:29

Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 17:29
The problem with option 4 is that a vehicle may enter the road from a side-track or road after the call goes out it is all clear.

Improbable some will say, problem is it is the ‘improbable’ things that kill people. If a driver cannot see a clear path ahead, where you will overtake and where you will be able to complete it, than you are putting yourself and others at risk, for what reward – getting to camp 10 minutes earlier?

Good weekend to all, ‘The Landy’
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:27

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:27
If I am on Tourist Mode and have 27 vehicles on my tail, i'll pull over when it's safe and let them go pass, the last thing I want on my conscience is to be the cause of an accident, plus as stated earlier it's less stress on your self, i'm always looking in my mirrors and soon as I see traffic building up behind the caravan i'll pull over, and when i'm doing the Posted Speed where it's safe i'll call on the radio when it's clear to pass and ease of a bit to let them get by, it's just common courtesy.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:48

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:48
Couldn't agree more. Common courtesy, and common sense.
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Reply By: mike39 - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:33

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 18:33
Alister.
I know quite well where you are coming from with your post.

We have had this happen so often to us, but one quite memorable occassion springs to mind.

We were camped on the river below the bridge on the Cooper crk. E of Windorah.
Had been into town to do some washing and a couple of ales at the Western Star.

Coming back to camp along the nature drive I noticed (from the dust) we were being caught up by several vehicles. Next thing the lead one passed us by doing a bit of bush bashing, pulled up to let me know in no uncertain terms he had a tagalong group and they were now getting late to set up camp (3.30pm)
OK says I "orf yous go"

Ten minutes later we were back to our camp to find these tag along folk setting up a camp right beside us, and what a turnout that was.

One of the party came over to make some apology for their haste in wanting to get past saying that he was about fed up, this was Wed. afternoon and they had only left Melbourne on Monday!
Had not stopped long enough to see a bleeping thing.

There was a good side though, they were all carrying quite a lot of firewood and when they left at daybreak on Thursday they left enough wood to last us the rest of the week.
mike


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Reply By: Flynnie - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:43

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:43
Alister

You are right that the lead vehicle should have made contact on Ch 40 starting some distance off. You could then have been informed of their numbers and quickly and amicably worked out a strategy for letting them past, ie pull off now or later etc.

After they did not contact you, did you try and contact them or just listen to their convey chat? It reads to me that you did not contact them but I may have misread your post. I would suggest a second best option in this sort of situation is to try and contact them and offer to pull over at the first opportunity.

I have had groups behind me so busy chattering amongst themselves that they seem to have forgotten that they could use the CB to contact me. Usually, but not always, me contacting them got the communication going OK.

I remember one group who completely ignored my contact and kept chattering amongst themselves. Support vehicles for motorbikes they were. Just wanted to know how many bikes were going past on a narrow track. Met some of them later. Not a bad lot, but a lot to learn about the art of communication. To some it don't come naturally so we have to make allowances and be prepared to try and make contact with them.

Communication is two way.

Flynnie
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Reply By: Big A - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:54

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 21:54
Not hard to miss a detail in a long post is it? We did not know that there were 27 of them until they had all gone past. There were gaps in the convoy, and just when I thought it had passed, a few more would appear in the mirror.

If I had known that there were that many, I might have pulled over. But the leader did not tell me and I soon got my back up, so I did not feel obliged to help other than what one would do for normal overtakers. (So I am nearly as arrogant as I thought they were!)

Hindsight, being such a wonderful thing, I would probably do it differently now. Another learning experience.

"A".
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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 22:35

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 22:35
Alister

Sorry I wasn't trying to pick your post to bits.

No way would you know there were 27 vehicles. As well as fault of the leader also quite a bit of fault with those further back who should have made contact as they were approaching you - at least the lead vehicle in each sub group. It sounds like 9 or so should have been contacting you at different times.

But what do you do when faced with that? Don't know! I doubt contacting them would really have made much difference, in any event, but could have been worth a try. Still it might just have made it worse.

The forum is a bit about what can we learn from the experience. Someone else may have a better idea than me on this one.

Flynnie
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 23:59

Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 at 23:59
I see a couple of issues arising in this discussion.
One it's plain arrogance to run a single convoy of that size as it always creates problems. Accredited Tour opperators & 4x4 clubs have a policy of a maximum of 10 where possible.
Two & certainly not pointing fingers at any individual but eaqually the arrogance of many slow travellers who believe their right to the road extends to purposely holding up people they think are travelling too fast for the conditions instead of simply getting out of the way when the opportunity presents as well as the one's who plod up the road totally oblivious to all & sundry behind them because they don't look in their MIRRORS! The four of you towing vans down the Newell last Friday...... You know who you are ;-))
Cheers Craig............
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:23

Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:23
There is a group out Innamincka atm. Just rude.
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Reply By: landseka - Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 11:09

Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 11:09
The old adage still works...."anyone traveling slower than me is a roadhog, anyone going faster than me is a bloody idiot!"
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Reply By: Member - col H (NSW) - Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 19:30

Friday, Oct 08, 2010 at 19:30
best to just pull over and let am go. I pull over if on desert roads when i see a big truck coming head on. Saves being showered with rocks too. I never hurry, thats when things break and bleep happens.
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