are/can generators be used uncovered in the rain?

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we got this dill next to us running his genny uncovered in the rain...

is there any way to make running a generator in the rain safe? ie, earth-leak cut-outs and the like??
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Reply By: blue one - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:03

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:03
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:33

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:33
Spose you'd like one through your Solar panel ?
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Follow Up By: blue one - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:18

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:18
Phhffff

Wouldn't matter anyway they still work as they are Unisolar

Come over to the light and rid yourself of that noisy anti social box of demons.

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Reply By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:11

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:11
"A spoonful of sugar" ....

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:35

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:35
And a kilo into YOUR fuel tank !
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:31

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:31
It wouldn't stop my beast ... you can have it if you like.

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Reply By: roberttbruce - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:30

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:30
yes, ok, we have some pragmatic answers...I8>)

now are any theoretical reasons that provide a positive grounding for generator usage in rain...lol...
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:36

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 16:36
Hi Robert

Not much you can do.

If his is designed for outdoor use[weatherproof] then not much problem except for possible leakage @ lead plugs if they get wet.
If not weatherproof then he should not be a problem for long

However if you see him driving an earth stake jump on him & tell him to pull it out .
IT IS NOT REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED & in that situation can encrease the risk for every one

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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:16

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:16
Depends on just what he connects to the earth stake does it not?

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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:37

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:37
Hi Allan

Simply earthing the frame of the genny or the van increases the risk if an insulation breakdown/leakage occurs due to moisture
It could become an earthed neutral system with no RCD protection
Also other problems could arise with wet ground & step voltages
The risk is low but does exist ,so why increase the risk with an earth stake that gains nothing

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 22:06

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 22:06
Yep I totally agree with Peter
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Follow Up By: geoff&kay - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:30

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:30
I might be the dill to here

I make a bit of a cover over the genny out of a bit of plastic tarp and a couple of sticks keep the lead plugs covered with a plastic bag and never a problem
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:03

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:03
Hi Bigfoot

""and never a problem ""???

Perhaps the right day has not just come YET???

Plastic bags are hardly a weather proof protection for 240v !!
Plastic tarp covering the set , to bad if it contacts hot metal /exhaust & melts
Will not be much good then.
Or restricts ventilation, overheating genny.

Yep,"no problem" yet!!!


Fully isolated Weather proof units with weather proof plugs & sockets are a low risk .

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Follow Up By: Roach"ee" - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:45

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:45
Peter,

I think you might be being a bit "precious" mate...... ;-)

I'm confident that is the cover is set-up like a tent over the gennie, then it would be 100% okay. A 6 foot x 3 foot plastic tarp, spread across a 6 foot long expanse of rope with 18" of the tarp to either side (like an old-fashioned tent arrangement), about a foot about the gennie, so that the sides are at about the same height as the 240v outlet, would be very bloody difficult to have any problems.

Having said that, on the occasions when I have needed to run my little Yammie 1kva gennie during rain, I simply set it up underneath the rear end of my dual cab Patrol.....never had a problem.

A bit of common sense goes a long long way, but some folks are just a bit too scared of every possible consequence that MAY occur.

Sure, there are many things that COULD go wrong....if that's how you live your life, you may as well stay at home in the safety of your RCD-protected home.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 13:25

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 13:25
Hi Roach"ee"

If you read Big foot's post ,that is hardly what HE described.

YES, IF well covered with no chance of moisture getting into plugs/sockets or windings [weather proof] OK
AS per my 1st post above

Have you seen the result of 240v plugs getting a little moisture in them

Have you ever been zapped by stray earth voltages???

I have had to investigate such occurrences

"common sense"? ahhh, that special quality we all hear about but often do not see practised as in the OP

I know that many do not want to hear or believe that 240v from ANY source can be dangerous
WATER increases the risk dramatically

Sadly people have died using gennys & inverters & many/most shocks are not reported[possibly because after the event they realized that "common sense ""had not been used]

Perhaps I do have a phobia, but even ONE life lost or seriously injured is one too many

Peter
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:47

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:47
If you use an isolation transformer which is placed inside the dry van, and keep all the wiring on its secondary dry, then this is a safe way of using the genny in the wet.

I agree, don't earth anything.

cheers, Peter
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Reply By: paulnsw - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:49

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:49
Our work Yamaha generators run in the rain never had a problem and dont stop. They are weather proof.
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Reply By: patsproule - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:50

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 17:50
If the genny is rated for outdoor work and is fitted with IP56 rated connectors and the extension leads are too then yes you can.

Pat
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Reply By: veight - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 18:33

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 18:33
If water gets into the Generator side it can pole out.
It is generally Not really recommended unless its a weatherproof genset.
Some thing like an Honda EU20 is not weather proof, It would be like using a toaster in the rain.
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:19

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:19
What is "pole out"?

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Reply By: roberttbruce - Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:30

Sunday, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:30
thank-you all for the reply's...

ftr, looks like a chinese cheapie...
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