Fuel drop on the CSR

Just a warning to those contemplating using the fuel drop at Well 23 on the CSR next year.
In June of this year, when transferring my fuel from the 200 litre drum into my tank and gerrycans, I found that I was between 50 - 60 litres short.
Some lowlife had helped themselves to my drum.

I have D40 Navara with a standard 80 litre tank so allowing an estimated 10-15 litres still in the tank I should have filled the tank plus at least 6 gerrycans - I got the tank full plus 3 + 1/2 gerrycans only.

Had to top-up at Kunawarritji at $3.20 per litre after paying $2.75 per litre for the 200litre drum at the fuel drop.

So just be aware, in case you dont know, that this fuel is left in the bush for anyone to steal if they see fit to do so.
The Community at Well 33 (Kunawarritji) has reliable fuel supplies.

Other than this, our trip over the CSR went without a hitch - no flats and only 1 shocker went in our party of 7 trucks.
Thanks mainly to Wayne Desmond - Great Divide Tours.




Jeff





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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:28

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:28
Jeff

Sorry to hear about that.
We did not have that trouble last year, but the honor system only works with honest people., Not low-lifes,



I did hear that kunawarratji was $4:00 a lt, so at $3:20 a lt, it's good to see that inflation has not bithered them in the last 15 moonths.
Personally I would not go past any fuel stop out there without topping up, no matter what price.

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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:30

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:30
Jeff,

You may not be aware that Capricorn Road House aren't going to provide the fuel drop service at Well 23 next year, because of theft.

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:43

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 17:43
Yep the thieving low life scum have put an end to the Capricorn Roadhouse fuel dump. Kurnawarritji was at $3.20 this year, same as last year and the year before. Cotton creek is at $4.00 per litre and we were shocked to find that Punmu had put their price up from $2.60 last year to $3.00 per litre this year.

Only takes a few unscrupulous individuals to screw it up for everyone else.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:02

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:02
But from what I heard it is not travellers who are doing this but enterprising locals.
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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 21:03

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 21:03
There were abundant indications this year that the theft was becoming serious and was systematic. Strongly suspected Hiabs or other devices were being used to load the drums and take them away. This in addition to the siphoning of drums at the dump.

At the end of the trip on the CSR this year my advice was to refuel at Kunawarritji near Well 33. Now I must admit to some misgivings. Quite frankly I doubt I would ever want to do the Canning again. Double whammy of closure of the Calvert Ranges and now the Capricorn Roadhouse fuel dump. Something has been lost.

If I did it again I now think I would take enough fuel for the whole journey like I did this year and be entirely self sufficient.

Modern world we live in!

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 22:49

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 22:49
G'day Mick O - I must've travelled through Punmu at a different time to you in 2009 (early August we were there) - diesel was $3.00 when I filled up.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 01:29

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 01:29
Wouldn't it be interesting to set up a concealed camera at the fuel dump (while it is still there) maybe get a few number plates and faces.
Don't go here, don't go there, the more I see of this the more I am glad I did my remote travelling a good many years ago. Must go and book my guided tour of Europe while our dollar is strong.

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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:06

Monday, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:06
Jeff,

Wayne is also a member on here ;)


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Follow Up By: Jeffie - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:58

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:58
Thanks Kev,

Wayne did a great job making sure we didn't get lost, didn't overtax ourselves or our vehicles and best of all, when water was available, he set up his shower tent giving us a hot shower about every 2nd or 3rd night.
Days travel was 100-130ks finishing around 3-4pm then he set up a BBQ and campfire for us all each night.

It may have been a bit expensive but I would recommend him (& Great Divide Tours) to anyone wanting to take on the CSR.

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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:37

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:37
Hi Jeffie.
Being country I have been bought up on the belief don't take things for granted,
I looked at the 44gal drums there at well 23, one even had my name on it.
Refuelled up the road a bit, dearer yes but I paid the tourist rate, why not, long way to the city from there.
A word of caution the road train on a good run takes 3 days from Alice. Sometimes takes longer.
The road train under god conditions can be expected on a Thursday but can be late, I think the community holds a reserve for the locals and why not.
Any profit mainly goes back to the community and I have not a problem with that
You do meet some nice people out there.
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 01:20

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 01:20
Hi All

Good to see people at the drop of a hat wish to blame "enterprising locals" for the loss of fuel. I know for a fact that 99.999% of locals would rather leave things be and enjoy the economical improvement to the area from tourism and travellers. The other minority are generally ratbags and would doubtfully have a vehicle that would get them to a fuel drop.

I have, over the years seen some fuel drums that have been dropped, and I have moved them out of plain sight, knowing that the intended recipient would find the fuel with a quick look around.

I would hope that people could also find out how much it costs the remote communities to transport fuel in, and then maybe people would understand that the communities are actually making very little profit from fuel. I guess I could be wrong, as I have only lived in the area my entire life, and have no intention of leaving the area other than my occasional trip to Kununurra or Alice Springs.

Perhaps a valid thought would be to ensure one has the ability to carry sufficient fuel for such a trip, I have done the Wiluna Billiluna and back on four occasions to carry out specific tasks for my father-in-law, andhave never had a problem planning for the fuel requirements and everything else.

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Follow Up By: Jeffie - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:57

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:57
Marc,

I for one, did not think a local would pinch the fuel as "locals" would know the serious consequences of running out of fuel in these remote areas.
I assume the lowlife to be a fellow traveller who was short of fuel or is just a plain thief.

The problem with most of us who travel these areas on a "once in a lifetime basis" is that we rely on the "experts" in regard to these matters.
If I was to do this trip again ( and I wont be) I would carry enough fuel for the entire journey and/or contact Kunawarritji to ensure they would have supplies and this would be my recommendation to anyone doing the CSR in the future.

The cost of fuel at these remote places is understandable, not so the inflated costs of fuel imposed on us in the capital cities and suburbs.

I note that the Aussie $ keeps going up and so does the cost of fuel - strange that!
I heard some wag on the radio a couple of weeks ago say that because of the high Aussie $ petrol will drop to below $1.00 - maybe he thought it was April 1.


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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 18:20

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 18:20
Yes this has been getting worse over the years. There is little evidence as to who is responsible but my thoughts are that the community has been there a long time and it never used to be an issue. Maybe it is just the type of people doing the travelling have changed over the years. Originally tour groups were targeted, probably assuming others would share.

We just stop at the community now. Its easier and it supports the local community. The new shop is definitely different to the old one!

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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 19:29

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 19:29
I came across abandoned Capricorn Roadhouse drums, that may well have been improperly taken, about as far from Well 23 as one could get and still be on the CSR. They had travelled a long way. If anything, this points to people passing through being the culprits and not residents of the area.

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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 21:15

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 21:15
Hi Jeffie

I do not think that it was you who made the comment about "enterprising locals", and I appreciate that you do understand that people in the area would rather encourage tourism and the like, and would not put people off by stealing fuel.

I have, twice previously, responded to a HF assistance call and taken fuel out to people, witrh the promise after giving them my BSB and Account details that they would reimburse me. Of course they did not, as they probably knew I would never see them again.

Unfortunately I would still take fuel out to someone stranded, knowing they may otherwisr perish. I am a fool sometimes I know, but I could not leave someone stranded.

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