100 Series Landcruiser - Auto or Manual

Thanks Jim,

I had considered a Petrol and converting to LPG.

Any ideas how fuel consumption on LPG compares to the Diesiel?

I have a mate who has a 98 Petrol model on LPG - still thirsty...

Cheers
Zane

The Old man had one, a 2003 with the old style "mixer" LPG system. They were towing a 22 foot van, fully loaded about 2300 kg. He was using about 32 L/100 km. He's not one to travel at 85 or 90 to get economy.

The more modern injected LPG would use less and deliver more power.

I'd guess a TD 100 series would use at least 20 L/100km, probably more but let's stick with 20.

20 L of diesel @ $1.20, $24 per 100 km vs 32 L of LPG @ $0.50, $16 per 100 km.

Depreciation wise, the 100 may be worth $40,000 after four years and the Patrol $15,000. That's another $5K in favour of the Patrol, but I'm speculating.

I'm a business man and make my decisions on economic grounds, not hearfelt emotions. I've got nothing against diesels, but everytime I buy a vehicle the economics stack up in favour of petrol vehicle.

Keep one thing in mind, with LPG you'll be stopping regularly to refill as the range is terrible. Also if you don't pick your stops carefully, you may need to run on Petroll for some time until the next stop and that gets expensive.

Hope this helps,

Jim.










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"I'd guess a TD 100 series would use at least 20 L/100km, probably more but let's stick with 20."

Your a bit out on your guess Jim, I tow a large event support trailer at 2.5 t all over the country for a motor sport client and average 15L/100, travel at the speed limit and run 35" tyres, get your facts sorted before you do the sums.

Don't forget to take in the resale value and life span of a motor on LPG . You sums are not even close to the diesel option.

Well thankyou for your "polite" response Muddie. Who you are we will never know because you hide behind an internet alias and fire your salvos.

I, on the other hand am an open book. But let's put that aside.

I frankly doubted your figures so thought I may check and independant source and here it is.

Overlander Tow Test

It does your argument no favours.

100 series TD 18.2 L/100km
Patrol 4.8, 26.7 L/100km.

Do the numbers, the Patrol is miles ahead economically even running on petrol, given the the purchase price of each vehicle. Put the Patrol on LPG and it's a no-brainer.

Jim.

David,

I've addressed the resale value.

The lifespan of a 4.8 on LPG is excellent. It may need head work at 300,000 but that would be less than the cost of injectors on the 100, those miserable little sods are about $1000 each x 6.

Let's also not forget the service cost of a diesel. They just don't make economic sense.

Jim.

Where do you get gas for 50cents per litre and in the bush it goes up considerably more so than the increase in petrol price so therefore makes it a problem if travelling remote
Steve

"those miserable little sods are about $1000 each x 6."

are you sure about that? You might be getting confused with the 200 series?
The 1HD-FTE is a mechanical injector, not electronic

fisho, you beat me by THAT much.....lol
OK that aside, 2 BIL's one a Nissan about 2000 vintage petrol and manual no LPG not sure exactly what milage he is getting but towing a 21' full size van he never goes over 80kph or the fuel gauge needle and speedo are going neck and neck.
Second BIL 100 series Cruiser 1HD-FTE turbo of course and auto 26' Jayco with the lot generally sits on 90-100kph and gets 18-20lt/100klms.
Mate with a 100 series cut down into a dual cab if that makes any difference, once again petrol 4.7 lt V8 auto got up to 34lt/100klms but he was punching into a headwind. Without headwind gets around 24-26lt/100klms and admittedly he likes to get wherever he is going in a hurry. Oh and tows a 24' Jayco.
Now all of these guys love their vehicles and have all had a good run as far as reliability goes.
Me, I have an ageing 75 series currently getting a heart transplant (1HD-FT) towing a 22' Supreme, poor old 1HZ engine just doesn't cut it anymore.
Milage..?????????? wouldn't have a clue and don't want to know.......might spoil the holiday.

Cheers
Pop

I stand corrected on the injectors.

The OP said the vehicle was not for outback travel, but primarliy to tow a horse float. I did state LPG is an option ASSUMING he has access to cheap LPG.

My point is why spend $60 K when a $30K vehicle will do the job just as well. The $60K vehicle will depeciate more in outright dollar terms and the spare $30K can be invested elsewhere. The OP needs to take all these factors into account and balance them against the fuel cost for each vehicle and then make an informed economic judgement.

Jim.

You guys are a disgrace! A genuine difference of opinion, a little mis-information and this perfect opportunity to dissolve into a slanging match ..... HASN'T!

Well done guys, its great to see healthy spiritied debate about the subject matteer not about the posters. As I said well done!

I have been reading with interest, I reckon the 4.8 is the go, unless you want cruising range, and then the diesel is the go. If you can't find a fuel stop every 300km or so then the 4.8 is the choice I reckon. If it was outback travel then the fuel load you'd have to carry would be huge.

"with LPG you'll be stopping regularly to refill as the range is terrible."
Our work trialed LPG on part of it's fleet. Refueling daily or even twice a day was a pain in the butt. As a business with a charge out rate of over $100 an hour, wasting time in servos simply doesn't stack up.
Cheers Craig...............

Sorry Zebu
Forgot to mention I also have a 3" exhaust and DP chip which I find are both worth every cent.
Joel

Hi Zebu

The TD Cruiser is a great tow car - but you have some wrong information on the Patrols.

The tow capacity is 3500kg on all the 4800's it was the 3lt diesel auto which only had 2500kg as it has old style gearbox - not the 5 speed 2 stage torque converter ripper in the 4800 autos.

The Patrols have longer wheelbase , lower C of G and are more stable.

I note you are looking at up to 55-60 for a car - as per a recent thread my new september 2010 4800 patrol was under 50k.

As owner of both a manual and auto patrol I love to say which is best for towing but I can't quite yet - we have just finished our first trip, a sand thrash on Stockton and the auto went very well but haven't towed with the new auto yet.

I suspect though that the manual will be better once rolling and as others says its a little harder to get off the mark - but then manual 4800's have a lot of torque and never have trouble geting off the mark.

If 55-60k was my budget for your use then a new Patrol on the new liquid injection gas which actually gives more torque would be my answer

I stand corrected - you are quite right 3200kg.

Two things put me off the petrol patrol. Firstly the interior styling and seats leave a little to be desired (but i can live with that.)

However finding a Petrol Patrol is very hard. Our local Nissan dealer - doesnt keep any in his yard - and in fact he said he had never sold one!!

A quick look thru the Trading post online for SE Qld comes up with 48 TD (2006 to 2010 models) and just 1 Petrol.

So either the guys with Petrol versions love them to death and never sell them, or they seem to be a black sheep?

HI Zebu

The 3200kg is for manual diesel 3lt (auto is 2500)

The 3500kg is for both auto and manual 4800's.

Could be black sheep - I know I can't yet bear to part with my 2002 model and won't until I can see clear advantages for the new one.

Sometimes these differences can be subtle and fit a persons character better than another car and spending time with your choices can help a lot.

I know I test drive every thing I can, but its still hard to really be sure - on the sand with the new auto I kept thinking I was spinning wheels but it was just the auto torque conerveter slipping etc.

Keep at it - something will jell

Recon the rear end of the 100 is better looking than on the 200 , LOL, give the horses in the float something decent to look at .