Hilux v6 conversion booster problem

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 04:29
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Hi all

I've recently replaced my 2.8 deisal in my hilux with a v6 commodore engine. And now the breaks aren't working have bleed a million times to avail, It seems the v6 dosnt create enough vaccum to run the brake booster. Any ideas how to get around this problem?

Thanks Michael
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 08:21

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 08:21
Put an electric vacuum pump in the system.
Sounds to me though that you have either a fault in the system or the hilux booster is incompatible with the amount of vacuum from the V6.
Thousands of commodores running around with zero problems with their brakes. Maybe fit a commodore booster?
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:04

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:04
Michael

How does your pedal feel? If the hydraulic system is ok but the booster is not working, the pedal will be very hard but you will have to apply much higher foot pressure to stop the car. Lack of a booster will not stop the brakes from working.

If the pedal is low and spongy then you have a hydraulic problem.

Please describe it a bit better before we go any further.



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Follow Up By: Schnapp - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:30

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:30
Hi sorry, the pedal is soft and spongy, when you bleed it pumps up hard and feels good but when you start car returns to being soft and spongy. Used to be fine before conversion and nothing was touched to do with brakes thus what was made me think it was to do with vaccum, the booster ran off the a the alternator on the deisal and now it's off the throttle body on v6.

Cheers Michael
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Reply By: Schnapp - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:54

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:54
Hi sorry, the pedal is soft and spongy, when you bleed it pumps up hard and feels good but when you start car returns to being soft and spongy. Used to be fine before conversion and nothing was touched to do with brakes thus what was made me think it was to do with vaccum, the booster ran off the a the alternator on the deisal and now it's off the throttle body on v6.

Thanks Michael
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Follow Up By: splits - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:28

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:28
Michael

Pumping up hard when the engine is not running is normal. You should not get a hard pedal if you had left air in the system.

The pedal going down a little and feeling slightly softer when you start the engine is also normal. That is because the booster has now started working and is helping you push the pedal down. If it does not work the pedal will stay hard.

If it is now going down further than before then maybe the petrol engine is producing more vacuum than the diesel vacuum pump. I am not sure how much vacuum is produced by a diesel pump but it would not surprise me if the petrol engine is higher.

Another possibility is you have created a leaking master cylinder while bleeding the brakes. This is not uncommon if the cylinder has been there for a long time and the fluid has not been changed regularly according to the servicing schedule.

Dirt and corrosion builds up in front of the piston seals but the piston only travels over the same area while driving so it does not come into contact with it. When you bleed the brakes, it goes a lot further and slides over the damaged area. This can damage the seals instantly.

Try pumping the pedal without the engine going until it is as hard as possible. Keep your foot on it with very light pressure and wait. If you feel it going down ever so slowly then you either have a leak at the wheels, which is easy to see, or a leaking master cylinder.

If it passes that test, increase your foot pressure and start the engine. The pedal will immediately sink down a little and feel slightly softer as the booster starts working. If you think it is going down too far then check with a brake specialists. They should be able to tell you if the engine is producing more vacuum than you had before.
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Reply By: Schnapp - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 01:00

Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 01:00
Run all the testS mentioned and definately the later the pedal is going to far down so to a specialist then. Took the vacumm off and there is quite alot of vacumm and as soon as it's off the brake light comes on. So thanks I think you have put me on the right track to much vacumm.
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