cracked lantern glass - again!!!
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MattyGloria
Hi All - As I write this we are
camping at the Alexander Bridge
campsite on the
Blackwood River in SW WA. What a nice spot!!! Our problem is that we have just discovered that our lantern glass has cracked again for the second time - We have only used it twice! What are we doing wrong? The first time it cracked I can definitely say the mantle was not "installed" properly - my fault for sure. This time though I am sure the mantle is right but it has still cracked.
Surely there must be some other members that have had this same frustration - or maybe it is just something really stupid we are doing wrong?
Any tips and advice would be very much welcome!!!
Cheers, Matt and Gloria
Reply By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:56
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:56
PS Its the larger Primus model - either a 200 or 300 CP.
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:10
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:10
I ended up buying a steel mesh piece after i broke 3 glass ones, get them anywhere and they don't break, downside is that they reduce the light output significantly and I found i used more gas
Shane
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:47
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:47
Thanks Shane - what does the steelmesh piece look like - don't think I have seen one? Also where can you get em?
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:31
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:31
It is the same shape as the glass and fits where the glass goes, any
camping store should be able to help you out
Its a close knit steel mesh which is why the light output gets reduced a lot,I much prefer the glass but broke too many, seem no matter how carefull you are, its inevitable
Shane
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:30
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:30
Time to update to LED lighting. Call me new fashion, but lantern's a thing of the past.! LOL
P.S. Your
camp site sounds beautiful , post some pics someday
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:50
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:50
Yeh - we do have an LED for indoors but I like the light emitted from the lantern. I like the noise as
well!!! If I keep breaking the glass think I may need to reconsider.
Yeh it is nice here - apart from the rain today. Nothing a cup of tea wont fix!!! Will try and take some pics if the weather gets better and post em.
Cheers!
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:28
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:28
Too hot in one spot,
water splash.
Glass doesn't like sudden changes in temp, so a splash of
water on hot glass or if the mantle is lopsided heating up one part more than the rest.
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:53
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:53
Mantle is good and even Only thing I can think of is it is too small for the gas output I have. I may have bought replacement mantles for the smaller model?
Thanks
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Reply By: oz doc - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:57
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:57
Hi MG, what sort of lantern do you have? When is the glass cracking- when in use or during cooldown?. doc. ps- how busy is down there ?
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:58
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:58
Hi Doc, I think it may be cracking on the cool down as I don't think it was cracked when I turned it off - I did give it a chance to cool down however by turning the gas down before it went out.
It was packed here when we arrived yesterday arvo - hard to find a spot - however it rained early this morning and 60% took off - scared of getting wet I think!!! Mostly caravans and camper trailers - we are the only ones in a tent!!! Feel like we need to upgrade when we look at all the flash gear everyone has. But we love roughing it and don't think we have talked to eachother this much for ages - without the idiot box here!!!!
Cheers Doc!
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Follow Up By: Busy Bee - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:39
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:39
Used to live in a place without power and used kero pressure lamps. Soon found out if the mantle developed the slightest hole to allow a jet of gas to make a hot spot, the glass would invariably crack on cool down.
Now I always use a new mantle after travelling even if it looks intact.
I should say "used to" as I recently swapped my 30 yr old pressure lamp for LED. No more fiddling with metho, kero, pumps and quiet too. Almost the same light.
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Follow Up By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 23:56
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 23:56
Strange.as I have used a Coleman Northstar lantern for years and never had a broken glass.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:00
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:00
I have to agree with Terra Firma. LED or fluorescents are the way to go if you are
camping from your vehicle. Just about bullet proof; fast to pack, lightweight, silent, if you have the yellow light leds they dont attract bugs. Very litle battery drain. We have now gone even better, and don't bother with bigger led or fluoros, we just carry enough head led lamps for everyone to have one and everyone gets the light they need where they need it
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:01
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:01
I agree with the headlamps. We gotta couple of em for fishing at night - go through the batteries pretty quick but wouldn't do without em. Still like the colour of the light from the gas lantern - never been a fan of fluoros - makes me feekl like I am sleeping in Target!!!
Thanks!
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Reply By: disco driver - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:39
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:39
Somewhere, sometime ago, I read of a solution to your problem.
The solution as I remember was to immerse the new glass totally into cold
water on the stove and then slowly bring the
water to the boil for a few minutes. Then allow it to cool in the same
water naturally.
This is supposed to relieve any internal stresses in the glass.
I can't vouch for this as, like others, I use battery powered flouro's and led's when in the bush.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:03
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:03
Hi Disco - that make a bit of sense - preconditioning the glass - maybe an expoert in physics may be able to help here? It can't hurt anyway - unless I crack the new one while boiling it!!!!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:20
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:20
Wrap it in a teatowel if you are worried about breakage ;)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: landed eagle - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:09
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:09
Glass actually anneals ( re-aligns its molecules) at about 500-550DEG C .
Hot/boiling
water isn't hot enough to affect the already made shade. Most of these things have thin glass which is very suseptible to thermal stress. The sudden shock of a cool breeze or even moving it which will create a breeze can damage it. A controlled turn off is the safest way,but not always practical.
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Reply By: mullyman - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:55
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:55
A hole in the mantle can create a hot spot and crack your glass. Always us good quality mantles and check them regularly. Don't listen to the LED,Flouro sissies. They wouldn't know what a decent
camping light looks like.lol.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:36
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:36
Some of us are old enough to have lived in areas without either 240v AC or 32v DC power,
We have used hurricane lanterns, kero lamps, Tilley pressure lamps (probably the best of the type), gas lamps, battery powered flouro's and now LED's.
You can rest assured that we do know what a decent
camping light looks like.
The ones with the best light and by far the least hassles are the flouro's and the LED's.
Need I say more?
Disco.
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:15
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:15
Hey Mullyman - looks like we may be the only ones still using em!!! I checked the mantle and it is all good - nice and even and no holes - I may check to see if I need a bigger mantle??? Not sure if that will help.
We are
camping beside a huge motorhome - even has sattelite TV - good on em I say - but why go
camping to watch TV!!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 23:12
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 23:12
Argh the old Tilley light, yes I
well remember them and the little kerosene lantern, and don't let us forget the candles. I
well remember doing my schoolwork in lantern light. LOL. We have some of each of those.
Seasoning the glass is what we use to do, we also use to use a jar that would fit the lanterns instead of the normal glass. We would take the bottom out of course.
MattyGloria, can you turn the control knob down a little? the light may not be so
bright but it may prevent the glass from getting so hot.
Cheers
D
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Follow Up By: Member - Poppy (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:26
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:26
I have a few old tilley lamps in my shed bar at home that I have put 12v indicator globes in (amber ones).
I run them through a transformer and the ambience makes me feel like I am
camping, also I reckon it keeps the bugs away.
Saved one for kero when I do go
camping
Which reminds me, I better get out more
Cheers Ray
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 02:04
Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 02:04
Sounds fantastic, good idea.
Cheers
D
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:01
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:01
Hi Matt & Gloria
I use a hurricane lamp every night here at home, with citronella oil for mossies. I cracked a few, but then found out that I was leaving them too high, and ther glass was overherating, hence the cracks.
You simply need to have them running at minimum wick if they are burning all night.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:06
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:06
Hey Marc - I guess I may have been running it a bit too hot - which I think woyuld be ok but maybe I need to let it cool down for longer. I may try and running it on lower and see if that fixes it.
Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:32
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:32
Turn the light down low for several minutes before extinguishing it altogether...
This will give the glass time to cool, and will greatly minimise the risk of cracking due to quick temp change..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Russler - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:38
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:38
I used to run the lantern on low for 30 seconds of so when I first lit it too, so it could heat up gradually. Have since made the swap to headlamps and fluros.
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:10
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:10
We will try one more glass - this time I will
1. Pre-condition the glass (maybe)
2. Let it warm up slowly when first used
3. Run in on a lower setting
4. Let it cool down longer when turning off.
I will report back my findings - although sounds like we maybe one of very few people still using em!!!
Thanks for you help
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Follow Up By: skmaint (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:36
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:36
Your not the only ones using them....I love the old gas light hissing away.
Reminds me of
camping in my younger days with mum and dad..
Have LED for the CT but the trusty old gas light will always be with me.
Hope you sort your glass problem out.
Cheers
Simon
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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:50
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:50
Hi
Um whoops.
I think you were actually talking about a hurricane lantern, you know, lift the glass and light the wick like I use. I do not have a gas lantern so I may have misadvised. Sorry about that.
Cheers
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Reply By: rumpig - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:48
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:48
as has been said already, buy a mesh surround instead, any
camping store should sell them. i broke a few glass surrounds, so i went the mesh route last time, no more glass to worry about now.
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Reply By: Troopy88 - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:48
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:48
Hi
We still use a lantern when
camping ours is a duel fuel coleman lantern and we think your problem is your doing up the lid to tight
Ours has a spring in it so that we can't do it up to tight and we have traveled many many kilometers and never broken the glass, touch wood, have been through many mantles but.....
Hope that helps you
Cheers, Belinda & Brett
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:25
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:25
Try spraying the mantle with hairspray before packing it away, the hairspray will help to hold it together while travelling.
I have had a Coleman dual fuel lamp for many years now, and I don't remember the last time I changed the mantle. It is always stored in a Coleman case when not in use as
well. I have only ever broken one glass, and that was from doing it up too tight and not allowing the glass to expand when hot.
HTH
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:47
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:47
For clarification.
when fitting a new mantle, give it a spray with hair spray.
Then preburn it.
Mantle lasts for ages.
Agree with above suggestions, bring light down more slowly.
Have found that with the petrol lanterns, they burn down slowly after being turned off anyway.
Not cracked any of my tilley lamp glass yet either.
T
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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:50
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 18:50
Hi Matt & Gloria, I have not got an answer for your dilemma but agree 100% about the ambience emitted from a lantern, so keep using it. Slow cool down sounds feasible, not sure about boiling it as I would have thought the manufacturer would have taken stress relief into consideration? Anyway chuck some veggies & a few bangers & a bit of garlic in the boiling pot just in case she cracks!! LOL
You are right about some rigs you see these days but I sometimes wonder what they miss out on. It is common for us to see people set up their van, (we have a van) but then out comes the Sat dish & laptop & they sit looking at their screens for a fair bit of the duration of their stay. Nothing wrong with that of course, just not our scene!
I'm convinced that those of us who choose to stay in a caravan
park get the most social benefit are the people who use the communal kitchen/ entertainment facilities, whether they be tenting it or have a van. These communal areas, in my opinion, are a great place to meet & have a bit of a yarn to people & learn from their life long experience & just enjoy their company.
Happy travelling & hope you find an answer to your problem.
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:27
Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:27
Thanks Barry - yeh we are going to stick with our gas lantern - think we will change to the steel mesh cover instead of the glass though.
Agree with what you say re social aspect of
camping. Only new to it so far but have met some great people in a short space of time!
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:59
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:59
hi mattygloria
try turning the light down for a little while before actually turning it off to reduce the heat more slowly as at night the sudden change from very high and hot to zero will crack the glasses and
i also think the quality of the glass just aint what it used to be
yes i have seen those steel mesh replacements
and it was either an army surplus store or could have been
ranger or bcf
or anaconda
bunbury has first 3 stores but not anaconda thats in
perth if your coming this way and yes the alexander bridge site is a very nice spot
cheers
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:28
Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:28
Hi Mazcan!
Yeh tried the slow cool down period - I think you may be right about the quality of the glass? I am going to use steel mesh! Cheers
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:05
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:05
The common answer Google delivers is to cool the lantern down 5-10 minutes by turning it down before turning it off. I understand you enjoy the light ambience and noise, this makes sense, someone said keep using it..? Yess off course if it doesn't keep breaking.! LOL...
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:00
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:00
Kmart sell 3 sizes of the stainless shields.. It emits light about halfway between the clear glass and the frosted... I have bought so many damn glass shields, the costs far outweighs the cost of the whole lamp after a few broken glasses... the SS shield is the go.... Michael
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Reply By: SDG - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:45
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:45
Up until last year I was using my original lantern and glass that I got over twenty years ago. No breakages. Never once cooled down before turning off, and thats
camping in the cool of the high country.
Last year while in the oiutback I decided to splash out on a new one. Same size.
First time I lit it, the glass exploded.
Got a replacement.
First night on replacement I was watching a crack go around the glass.
Got a replacement.
Third time lucky? Nope. It broke, but on the second night.
Got another replacement, but this time they also threw in a steel mesh unit as
well.
I'm thinking the glass is not as good as it use to be.
Ps. ALL replacements were the complete units. Not just the glass.
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:08
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:08
Interesting reading!
We had a gas lantern once a while ago but never ended up using it much, the 12V flouros were just so much easier.
More recently we purchased a dual fuel lantern (since we brought a dual fuel stove as
well) and a couple of those Primus Super Nova LED Lanterns so I think we've got all the bases covered.
Now just wait and see if we have the cracking issues with the dual fuel one!
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Reply By: Member - david t (INT) - Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 13:52
Thursday, Oct 21, 2010 at 13:52
matt
is the new glass a generic brand ?
i just broke my 20yr plus primus gas lamp glass my fault i dropped it . i then replaced it wit a generic glass and it cracked in the first five minutes not happy i then replaced with a schott made glass and have had no problems with it .also dont turn up onto high straight away and make sure mantle is burnt properly
David
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Follow Up By: MattyGloria - Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:30
Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:30
Hi David - yes the replacement was Primus and even the replacement mantle was primus. Cheers, Matt
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Reply By: MattyGloria - Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:34
Friday, Oct 22, 2010 at 09:34
Hi All!!!
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Think we will stick with the gas lantern but opt for the steel mesh instead of the glass!
Just realised what an amazing resource this website is - where you can post a question whilst still sitting in your
campsite and receive dozens of answers withing hours!!! Will definitely become a paid member now in order to support this site.
Cheers, Matt and Gloria
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