Navara D22 - towing Jayco

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 21:39
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Hi All,
I am picking up my new Jayco Swan hopefully next week but I haven't fitted a brake controller.
Prestige Jayco supplied me a Hayman Reece unit. Can someone recommend an auto elec in the macedon ranges or Bundoora to wire things up properly? Researching the net, I should be asking:
1) The brake controller circuit must be fed power through a 30 Amp thermal-reset circuit breaker.
2) The brake controller's circuit (between the circuit breaker and the brake controller) must have a 40Amp (or better) relay that only brings the circuit power on when the vehicle's ignition is in the ON (engine running) position.
3) The wires for the brake controller MUST be 6mm all the way from front to rear.

The car currently has a standard nissan round trailer plug. Does this need to be changed?

The dealership is fitting an anderson plug on the fridge.

Is all the stuff basic for any auto elec or should I be going to someone who does caravans etc ???
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 22:23

Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 22:23
A qualified reputable Auto Elec does this sort of stuff everyday. Just give him your spec as per above and Bobs your Uncle. The plug should also be ok, talk to Jayco and they will give you their plug compatibility spec etc. Make sure your electrics to the van are charging the van's battery etc whilst towing, you may want to discuss this with the Auto Elec. Yellow Pages or Google is your friend for Auto Elec in your area.
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 22:48

Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 22:48
Thanks Terra, but my van doesnt come with a battery. Did I do the wrong thing asking for the anderson plug???
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Follow Up By: Member - John G- Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 08:31

Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 08:31
G'day Frank

Don't know if this helps much. We bought a second hand Jayco Eagle Outback that didn't have a battery. We had the Jayco dealer in Queanbeyan install a battery when we had it serviced and we charge it via Anderson plug. 100A deep cycle battery with fitting was around the $600 mark.

We use the onboard battery for lights only, when camping in National Parks, and together with internal LED lights, it does the trick.

The Anderson plug connection will also run your fridge (if you have a 3-way) while you are driving but the conventional wisdom is to not have the camper fridge running off the vehicle battery (single or dual) system for too long while stationary, because of the power drawn by the camper fridge whien its running on 12V.

Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 08:34

Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 08:34
No not at all the Anderson plug is the best option for running all sorts of things and can deal with high power or current. Down the track you may put a battery in the van , who knows?
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Reply By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 23:42

Sunday, Oct 24, 2010 at 23:42
Hi Frank

I would be surprised (and disappointed) if they couldn't arrange the fitting in their yard as part of the deal as Coromal did for our first van over here in the west.

Pretty straight forward though, and as advised already, easy enough for any auto sparky, once he has the specs and gets the controller in for you.

Happy vanning when you do get underway.

Cheers - Phil
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Reply By: Member - Peter E1 (VIC) - Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 18:13

Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 18:13
Statewide Auto Electrical in Kyneton are pretty good. Have done a lot of work on my Hi-Ace camper to set me up for freecamping.
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:29

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:29
Hi Peter E1, I can only find a listing for them in Preston??
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter E1 (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 13:14

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 13:14
Their business card says Statewide Auto Electrical but they are also known as DRC and they are at 8 Bourke st Kyneton.
Bourke st is the street you join when you turn off the Calder at the southern end of Kyneton, and they are just down the road on the left near a place that sell sheds etc.

Hope this helps.
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Reply By: franklKTM450 - Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:31

Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:31
Thank you all for your feedback. I am a lot clearer now on what I need to get done. I had a chat to Macedon Ranges Auto Elec based in New Gisborne. No matter who I speak to, I cant get a price for all this work. In the scheme of things iits nothing compared to the Van, but it would be nice to know before hand.

I have another question. I was supplied (as part of the deal) a Hayman Reese controller. I have done some research and the general consensus is to go the P3 or Prodigy. I can get a P3 for $170. Am I better off using the HR or going the P3 and selling off the HR ???
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:16

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:16
Get a P3 chuck the Hayman

Different as chalk and cheese.

The P3 is a far better unit and if you want to save a few dollars get a Prodigy same thing with less display on it.


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Reply By: franklKTM450 - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 16:23

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 16:23
OK, so I sent an email to a particular mob, and specified the following (which is a summary of everything discussed):

EBC:
1) the brake controller circuit must be fed power through a 30 Amp
thermal reset circuit breaker.
2) the brake controllers circuit (between the circuit breaker and the
break controller) must have a 40 Amp (or better) relay that only
brings the circuit power on when the vehicles ignition is ON.
3) the wires for the brake controller MUST be 6mm all the way from the
front to the rear.

Fridge:
1) the fridge only draws power when the ignition is ON.
2) the fridge live wire to go via a 30 Amp relay, connection to the
car battery with a 30 Amp fuse.
3) from the relay to the rear of the car, minimum 6 B&S gauge wiring
for both +ve and -ve wires, connecting to a Anderson plug.

I just received a call back and the est. price for all this is.... between $1300-$1400 and a full days work. Is this excessive seeing that I am providing the controller and some of you guys are doing most of what i am requesting yourselves? Don't get me wrong, if thats the price to pay then so be it but it wasnt what i expected to hear.

Also, just an update, I bought the P3. I need to get rid of the Hayman Reese now.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 17:39

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 17:39
The only thing between the battery and the brake controller should be the self resetting circuit breaker. The P3 goes to sleep if it is not used for a while so there is no need to remove power from it.
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Follow Up By: kend88 - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 19:39

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 19:39
Sounds excessive to me. Three years ago I had my Auto Elec install a prodigy and anderson plug. Was $470 all up including supply of both. I didn't outline specs as I assumed they knew more about it than me.
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 21:36

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 21:36
Thanks PeterD - Are you saying there shouldn't be anything or is it an overkill to go via the ignition??? I dont see any harm and is added protection if anything... but then again, I am no auto elec.

KenD - various places I called have quoted me $500 dollars with the Prodigy supplied. They never went into detail about the wiring and this doesnt include the fridge connection... but surely the fridge and some circuit breakers dont had up to an additional $1000.

Anyway, the car is booked in next Wedn but I am going to see them on Satd and discuss my requirements. Lets see what they quote me.

Can anyone else confirm what PeterD has said???
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 21:38

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 21:38
Sorry - what I meant was the car is booked in with a local auto elec next Wedn but would like to see me on Satd to discuss my requirements. Only then can he give me an idea on cost.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 23:27

Tuesday, Oct 26, 2010 at 23:27
Frank - you should have as little chance of disrupting the power to your brakes. The resetting circuit breaker is all that should be in the power line to your brake controller, nothing else. A relay is something else that can fail. Itis not needed as when the controller goes to sleep there is very little current drawn by the controller. I know of no one else who has any type of switching in that power circuit and I have not heard of anyone having battery discharge problems when the controller is installed.
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:15

Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:15
I think you make a good point PeterD...
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Follow Up By: DaveO*ST-R - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:06

Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:06
Frank,

I must be out of touch with prices, but wow !! $1300 odd seems way too steep for my liking, especially if you are providing the P3. I am no auto elec, but I did all mine myself - fitting the P3 and running cable to the rear of the vehicle. My P3 is connected exactly as PeterD says...wire from the vehicle battery through a auto reset circuit breaker direct to the P3 - no relay etc - there is no need for one. After about 15 minutes from vehicle shutdown, the P3 goes into a "sleep mode" (LED display etc shuts off) and does not fire up again until you apply the foot brake or hand control. Absolutely no power issues after 18 months having it fitted. The P3 is a brilliant controller.

If you are not confident connecting everything up, have you considered doing the time consuming bits yourself and get the auto elec to do the rest - to save dollars? Things like routing the cable in the engine bay, through the firewall and running your fridge power cables to the back take time, but the process is not difficult. My cables to the back are in split corrugated tubing and run through the chassis rails. Fiddly in parts, but certainly not hard. Just a thought..

Regards,

Dave
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Follow Up By: franklKTM450 - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:37

Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:37
Hi Dave, no relay makes it a little easier. As I read your reply I started thinking about running the cables myself. Is there much involved in setting up the unit once all connected?
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Follow Up By: DaveO*ST-R - Thursday, Oct 28, 2010 at 19:40

Thursday, Oct 28, 2010 at 19:40
Frank,

The instructions that come with the P3 were reasonably comprehensive from memory. I don't have them handy at the moment, but there is really little involved in setting up of the unit. Select the boost level you desire. Adjust the voltage level so the brakes are effective but do not lock the trailer wheels and that's it. Once that's done, the P3 is really pretty much "set and forget."

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Reply By: franklKTM450 - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:55

Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 at 21:55
OK, so searching for parts and reading various posts... Some say thermal reset and some say auto reset. Which is correct or ideal?
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